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From History of Germany: After Bismarck provoked France, the Franco-Prussian War broke out in 1870 and the southern German states, viewing France as the aggressor, joined the North German Confederation.

From History of Baden, Germany: By the treaty under which Baden had become an integral part of the German Empire in 1871,

From German Empire: The German Empire (in German, Deutsches Reich) was the official name for Germany from January 1871 until the overthrow of the Emperor (Kaiser) Wilhelm II of Germany in November 1918.

It seems Baden was no longer a sovereign state after 1870 or 1871 (and presumably at times in the past) -( 08:40 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)

I included something about this in the intro -( 20:15 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Baden 2 Proposed move 2.1 Discision 3 Name change 4 Pickles 5 EB1911 6 map

[edit] Baden

I think, its better to move the article Baden to Baden_Germany, because there's some Baden more. The main page of Baden, I mean have to be Baden (disambiguation) Then Baden-Germany is not more important than others. example Baden, Switzerland has got a big and very important history. And nobody can say this is more important than example Baden, Lower Saxony.

What you think about a moving? --Viperch 20:54, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• I moved this article now, because nobody got a mind about this problem and I think there's got a many Baden, and no one is more important --Viperch 20:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

"Baden Germany" is a title that is not in line with normal Wikipedia naming and disambiguation conventions. The page should be moved back to Baden, which is a disambig page that now largely duplicates the content of Baden (disambiguation). The content at Baden Germany refers to the most important use of the name. Martg76 16:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

• Support. "Baden Germany" is bad, so is "Baden., Germany", the previous version. "Baden (state)" was OK IMO, but I agree that the state Baden is historically and culturally a lot more important than the other places, so let's move it to "Baden". Markussep 09:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose use "Baden (state)". avoid discussions about importance. If there are so many other things, its nice to see this. Also assures that links are correct in the long run. state links to state. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:58, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Actually I would prefer it moved to Baden (Germany), like the Australian state of Victoria is at Victoria (Australia). – AxSkov (☏) 07:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The state is not the only place in Germany called Baden, there's also a town near Bremen, and Baden-Baden. I'd prefer Baden (state). Markussep 09:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• Support move, --Irpen 23:06, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Support just about any move from this abomination of a title. I would prefer having it at "Baden", but wouldn't object to "Baden (state)", either. -- Jao 19:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Coming to think of it, if it is possible to write two separate articles Margravate of Baden and Grand Duchy of Baden without needing to duplicate too much information, that might be even better. -- Jao 20:39, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Baden germany isn't more important than Baden-Baden today, or for the swiss history is Baden, Switzerland a very important city, then this was a capital for 1-2 years of switzerland. And there's many other Baden who has got a very important place in the history of this world. I think, every Baden must have the same important level. On a disambiguation page has to be a good description about the diferent citys. I think, a good disambiguation page is very important for the project wikipedia and not the question, which baden is more important! Example: Under River there isn't standing only about the mississippi. I think thats the same problem.
• At last: Baden is a word in german, too! Baden in the german version of wikipedia: Wikipedia German Version (Baden) --Viperch 20:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Your arguments about Mississippi and the German verb "baden" are really irrelevant. And no, not every "Baden" is equally important. Baden-Baden already has a disambiguated name, so that's irrelevant as well. But, I think the old situation with "Baden (state)" for the region and "Baden" as disambiguation is preferable to most, so let's do that and clean up the mess. Markussep 11:23, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• This title is an abomination. Support strongly. To be honest, this move was carried out on one person's say so. I'm going to move to Baden (state) so that at least we keep away from this nonsense. I still think Baden is the proper title, though. john k 21:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
• I also strongly support this proposed move. The former grand duchy is by far the most likely topic to be meant by "Baden"; a quick look at Special:Whatlinkshere/Baden clearly supports this.
  

In outline, the articles should be something like:

• Baden for the former grand duchy and the inter-war Land
• Baden (state) for the short-lived West German Bundesland (this should be kept separate, as the state was not a direct successor of the former entity; cf. Württemberg-Baden)
• County of Baden for the historic state in what is now northern Switzerland
• Baden (disambiguation) as the disambig page
• Baden, Switzerland for the town in the Aargau
• Baden-Baden and Baden, Lower Saxony for the two German towns
• Baden bei Wien for the Austrian town
• Baden, Germany should either be a disambig page, or should redirect to Baden (disambiguation)

I'm quite happy after any move to help go through all relevant articles and sort out the links.

Silverhelm 04:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC).

• Support, although I have just made Baden (disambiguation) redirect to Baden, I think the best solution is to have Baden be about the historical region in Germany, with other places accessible through Baden (disambiguation). Baden is not just a now-defunct margravate and grand duchy, it's still very much a distinct cultural region in Germany. I suspect very few people from Baden-Württemberg think of themselves as Baden-Württemberger; they think of themselves as either Badeners or Swabians. (And woe betide the person who calls a Badener a Swabian!) --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 08:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

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One of the Baden disambiguation Pages has to deleted. But which? I think when somebody is typing Baden, has to come the Baden disambiguation Page. Baden is at the moment the newer one. --Viperch 11:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

There's a lot more history at "Baden (disambiguation)", but I don't think that's very important in this case. If the consensus is that the state should be at "Baden (state)", not "Baden", then "Baden" can be the disambiguation page, and "Baden (disambiguation)" a redirect to "Baden". But due to all this moving around we need admin assistance now, and someone who wants to fix all the messed up links. Markussep 12:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

As a first step, I'm merging Baden (disambiguation) to Baden (itself a disambiguation page), because having two disambig pages is unacceptable. Once consensus is reached, names can be moved around again if necessary. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 07:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Seven votes to three, so there's a clear consensus to go back to Baden. I'd be happy to do the moves, but could someone else take care of the "What links here" for the two pages, fix the double redirects, etc? –Hajor 01:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discision

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 01:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

On the contrary, as Hajor said, seven votes to move vs. three not to looks like broad consensus. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 06:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I concur with Angr. Does Ryan Norton's "discision" have any formal meaning for the voting process? Martg76 07:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

BD2412 has also agreed with the move, making it effectively 8 to 3, so I'm moving it now. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 21:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name change

Okay, the article about the region in Germany is now at Baden. The disambig page is at Baden (disambiguation). Double redirects have been fixed. I also created a tiny stub called Canton of Baden because I didn't think that should redirect to either Baden or Baden (disambiguation), so if anyone knows anything about the former Swiss canton of Baden, please expand that stub! --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 21:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pickles

Gundlsheim is noted for their world famus pickles. pickles should be included in the foodstuff that came from Baden 66.194.72.10 09:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EB1911

There is additional information about the topic Baden on the public domain Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition. If you think the information is appropriate for Wikipedia, please include it into this article and add the {{1911}} tag if necessary. When you have completed the review, replace this notice with a simple note on this article's talk page. Thanks!

[edit] map

the geographical names are in french, cant that somehow be changed to german or english?--Tresckow 12:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

did it myself--Tresckow 12:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)