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Why is it that i get a B-24 liberator when i search for a normal political liberator??? and how do you create new pages? CrazyLucifer 08:39, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What you're look for is a dictionary defintion. Also, I have fixed that problem. Liberator is now a disambiguation. →Iñgōlemo← ^talk 01:44, 2005 May 22 (UTC)

Contents 1 Ball turret size 2 Dead link 3 vis-a-vis B-17 4 Bomb Loads actually carried 5 History of B-24 Survivor 'Diamond Lil' 6 GA Failure

[edit] Ball turret size

It would be most helpful if the article included the diameter of the ball turret (especially the inside diameter). I can't find this information anywhere! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.216.11.5 (talk) 19:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Dead link

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maru (talk) contribs 02:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vis-a-vis B-17

I think it would be interesting to add a section to either the B-24 or -17 page comparing the two, especially as this is something that is often a subject of debate in certain circles. I think the same sort of thing should then be done for B-26 vs. 25. 64.12.116.67 02:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm preparing a short article comparing bombloads and ranges for the B-17, B-24, and Avro Lancaster. Edweirdo 16:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

See article Maximum Reported B-17 & B-24 Bomb Loads.--Edweirdo 17:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bomb Loads actually carried

In my readings of published combat reports in books and on the web, I searched for the maximum bombloads carried various distances by B-24's. This is what I found for B-24's flown by US Air Forces(distances are a round trip, and are straight lines "as crow flies". Actual distances flown are often greater):

Previous account of Max Bombload: 9,000lbs, B-24H, March 8, 1945, 8th Air Force, 467th Bomb Group, Rackheath to Dillenburg, 745 miles RT. Note: I no longer believe this account. This would have been an extraordinary event with the crews speculating whether their planes could get off the ground with a bombload 80% larger than the usual 4000-5000lb load. Also, it is contradicted by the mission detail reported in Roger A. Freeman's War Diary. I think the author of the account made a mistake in the number of bombs or their size.

Current Max Bombload: 8,000lbs, B-24H, November 5, 1944, 8th Airforce, 467th Bomb Group, Rackheath to Karlsruhe, 875 miles round trip.

Dresden: 6,000lbs, B-24H, January 16, 1945, 8th Airforce, 467th Bomb Group, Rackheath to Dresden, 1,175 miles RT.

Gdynia: 5,000lbs, B-24H, October 8, 1944, 8th Air Force, 467th Bomb Group, Rackheath to Gdynia (now Gdansk, Poland), 1,530 miles RT.

Ploesti: 4,000lbs, B-24D, August 1, 1943, 9th Air Force, Bengazi to Ploesti, 2,080 miles RT.

Max Distance: 2,700lbs, B-24D, August 30, 1944, 13th and 5th Air Forces, Numfoor (an island near Biak, New Guinea) to Balikpapan (Borneo), 2,480 miles RT.

The RAF (231 Group, 159 Squadron, CBI theater) under a Commander named J. Blackburn, flew lightened Mk VI B-24's out of Salbani, India carrying huge bomb loads "Consolidated B-24 Liberator", by Martin W. Bowman, Crowood Press, 1998 pp. 135-138.ISBN 1 86126143 8: Rangoon: 12,000lbs, 1,430 miles RT. Bankok: 8,000lbs, 2,135 miles RT. Penang Harbor: 4,400lbs, 2,950 miles RT. Edweirdo 16:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

"Davis wing's habit of flexing at high altitudes." Is this what the engineers call flutter? Flutter is different from normal flexing. --Gbleem 14:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The wing flexed--i.e. oscillated up and down (like a bird's). So did the B-52's.--Buckboard 09:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

B-24: Regarding the specifications for this aircraft ( and others) For clarity, It should be noted that the B-24 cruising speed was rated at 150-160 mph at sea level, such airspeed being indicated on the instrument panel. Pilots in World War II generally used this figure whether at sea level or high altitude (if it was possible to maintain that airspeed). Each crew was supplied with the U.S. Army Air Corps TYPE E-6B AERIAL DEAD RECKONING COMPUTER, which was a hand held mechanical device where the indicated air speed was entered upon an affixed wheel which was then turned to the present altitude and outdide temperature. The resulting figure was the true air speed.The difference in indcated and true airspeed is due to altitude and outside air tempeature as explained elsewhere in Wikipedia. Categories: Aircraft instruments | Aviation stubs Article

[edit] History of B-24 Survivor 'Diamond Lil'

The original poster had stated that Diamond Lil had been a former USAAF aircraft and then another user has recently changed it to a former RAF aircraft.

In truth, the now owned and operated Confederate Air Force aircraft was indeed the 25th B-24 ever made of over 18,000 B-24s (and variants) ever built. And was the 18th of 20 LB-30s made for delivery to the United Kingdom, however, in 1941 when it was being delivered to Canada, it had an accident and was rebuilt as a Consolidated company aircraft and flew for Consolidated throughout World War II.

Eventually the aircraft was sold to the Contintental Can Company and 10 years later it was sold again to Mexico's national oil company until CAF bought it in 1967.

http://www.cafb29b24.org/lilhist.html

--Signaleer 20:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Failure

I'm failing the GA, because I found the entire introductory section far too short and rather disorganized. Why would one compare it to the P-51, a plane that didn't even exist yet? Surely there are other examples of quickly-designed aircraft (that's rhetorical, there are lots). The rest of the article is something of a grab bag. There's lots of good information, but I just don't think it reads well enough to be GA in its current form. Maury 22:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

This article is completely devoid of in-line references. There definitely need to be more to achieve GA status. I noticed that there were books listed here, so all one would need to do is page through those books and find the appropriate pages for each paragraph. Jolb 02:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)