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"it is possible to run Azureus using GCJ (version 4.1.0 and greater)", this concerns Linux and Unix only, correct? (Windows an Mac OSX users must use the closed-source JVM.)

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[edit] Add the Azureus-Wiki-URL more prominent!

Hi,

IMHO http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/ should be displayed at the top or in the box on the right side too, maybe even in red or so.

There are many bad help pages out there and the wiki is really good and gets better every day since they moved and updated the wiki!

Thanks! 2005-09-04

[edit] Pronunciation of Azureus.

As there is a request for this information, here is my two-cents worth.

I would have thought it was rather obvious no..?

AAH-ZOO-REE-USS

If I am wrong I will accept correction but seems right to me..and everyone i know says it the same way!

Everyone I know says it " Ahz / zurr / ee-us " though, which is almost the same but not quite! --83.67.100.40 13:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I thought it was pronouced like Wiktionary:azure with an -us on the end. --Pmsyyz 19:52, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, I've always said " Ah / zuh / RAY / us " --Mikepurvis 17:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
I pronounce it "AH / ZEH / RES" LebanonChild 18:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
According to how it is pronounced in other languages (there are no other alternatives to pronounce it in Polish, or German for example - at least none of which I can think about at the moment) it should be "AAH-ZOO-REE-USS". -- Dark Archon
Well, it is originally from Latin (Dendrobates azureus, the Linnaean name of the Blue Dart Frog, like it says at the top already), so /ˌɑzəˈɹeəs/ is probably the best English pronunciation. (Rhymes with Amadeus; z as in zero, not as in azure.) On the other hand, my prescriptivist side is showing. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ISN'T Fully Free

AZUREUS isn't free no more!!

The link: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ Doesn't work anymore.

This is Azureus new link: http://www.downloadsglobe.com/azureus/?gclid=CMufm9zQrocCFRgZYAodxikV8Q

And they charge for downloading and using it (about us$1.50 monthly). So it doesn't deserve the GPL license anymore. Better look for other torrent clients, like bitTorrent or uTorrent, those are FULLY free.

Could it be, that this was merely a temporary downtime? Right now, the Azureus website works just fine, and the download is still free. — Mütze 11:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
First, I do not believe they EVER charged for using it. Second, even if they DID charge a fee for downloading it, this alone doesn't rescind the GPL. If you actually read the GPL, you'll see that anyone is FREE to charge as she wishes for a GPL program. However, if any person who d/ls it puts it in her site and lets anyone d/l it for free, then the original "seller" has no right to limit the latter's freedom to do so. Free Software (and GPL) is all about FREEDOM, not ZERO-COST. Isilanes 14:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

How "free" is Azureus? My version says (C) 2003-2006 Aelitus.

It's GPL according to the article. (All GPL software are copyrighted, btw) WP 09:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
rather Copylefted ;) --84.140.139.212 15:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

To avoid spyware, please always get your Azureus from Sourceforge. 66.146.62.39 21:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry Jarvik, but that info was relevant to Azureus

Sorry Jarvik, but that info was relevant to Azureus, so I've pasted it back.

http://azureus.aelitis.com/wiki/index.php/Share_Ratio

Firstly, don't complain. In New Zealand, the upload speed is usually 128kb/s, 512kb/s is avaliable, but is much more expensive.

In BitTorrent, no matter which client you use, the more you share, the more you get. But depending on the torrent, sometimes you can get high speed without even uploading.

You didn’t understand anything did you?

You forget that Bittorent is not just about getting the latest hottest thing. In fact, a lot of people (I for example), look for old classic (games, music, movies) where the seeding is very limited.

Like I said, a lot of people like old classics, but not the same classics, so only one person at the time might be trying to get a file from someone else, so that doesn’t give you a good upload ratio now does it?

Also, with limited bandwidth consumption, I can’t upload more than 10 Gigs per month or I will need to per for the extra Gigs. This means that I can’t leave a torrent open (seed the file) after my download is finish at the risk of paying an extra $30 per month.

So because of this, some Azureus users (who do seed a lot) will regard users like myself as a leech even if we have little choice in the matter.

Your rant is a feature of bittorrents in general, and has little to do with Azureus. The Azureus program is not limiting you in any way. It's the fault of your ISP that you leach, not the developers of Azureus. Just because you can't upload as much as you'd like does not change the fact that you are a leach. If you can't upload as much as you'd like, then don't download as much as you'd like. Johaen 15:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

You still don’t get it. Start playing in the Azureus settings because I’m getting really tired of your ignorance regarding this subject.

I’ll just keep pasting the description and you know very well know that there is nothing you can do to stop this.

As Jarvik has said, this is not specific to Azureus. It's a "problem" with the BitTorrent protocol in general. The protocol describes a "tit-for-tat" mechanism to help those who are sharing, and ignore those who aren't. Every BitTorrent client out there implements it because it is part of the protocol.

Your point about essentially being forced to share is valid, but not Azureus-specific. You could just as well add the exact same stuff to the uTorrent, BitComet, and ABC articles. Because this is a problem with BitTorrent, it would be far better to expound on the there instead. A link to those specifics could then be added to this article if you want.

Unless it got changed in the last version of the "Official BitTorrent” software, it is not part of BitTorrent. Alright, I'll show you guys where it is since it seems that I'm the only one who played around with Azureus' settings.

-Go to Tools\Options in the Azureus menu bar.
-In the Options tab, scroll down until you see Queue.
-Expend the Queue section by clicking on the + (plus sign) and you'll see Seeding and inside that last one you'll see after expending: Auto Starting, First Priority and Ignore Rules.
-These 4 categories of settings allow you to reject people with a low ratio of sharing and seeding. This is not something found on the original BitTorrent program.

1. Learn to sign your edits on talk pages.
2. Stop creating new sections when they all relate to your same complaint.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about. I went into the options as you described, just to check it out. What you are descibing has nothing to do with blocking others from recieving torrents from you. What it does is select which torrents you are currently seeding get priority, based on your own share ratio. So, if you have one torrent that has a ratio of 1.1, and one that has a share ratio of .4, the one with the .4 share ratio will have a higher priority in seeding. Meaning, it will be more likely to be seeded. This is a good thing.
4. I will revert your changes one last time. Hopefully someone with more athority can come in here and stop this from becoming a full-blown edit war. ~ Johaen 14:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC) ~

Screw those options man, I just found out something even better, Azureus has an IP Banning, now that's discrimination. I have changed my topic to reflect the negative part of IP banning, Enjoy.

Also, you'll be happy, I learn how to sign my name :P the_importer 00:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Samuella, please provide proof that file sharing in never impossible

You removed part of my topic without leaving any proof that file sharing in never impossible. Please provide proof on how a person can (without hacking the firewall) share files on a very restricted network (please bare in mind that I’m a certified IT).

If you can and if I can verify this, I will remove that comment myself.

A network, by definition, is something you share files on. WP 04:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Not really. I can make a network where file sharing is not permitted. It would basically be a network meant to share an Internet connection, but still a network.

A network is also use to control and regulate computer and Internet usage. So if I don't want people to install software such as MSN, I can simply configure the users who log on with a restriction on installing softwares.

That's a restriction on the computers (or, given that you're a "certified IT", perhaps it'd be best to explain that it's a restriction on the domain), NOT on the network itself. A network's fundamental purpose is to enable the sharing of information; regardless of how locked-down you make it, so long as ANY information controlled by the user can be transmitted to another network peer, the network can be used for filesharing. In the far more likely situation that the network is configured to disallow access to external sites over anything but TCP/80, Azureus (or, indeed, any BT client) can be configured to listen on that port, so you will be able to connect to at least some peers and trackers. And, of course, if the network is simply behind a NAT firewall, BT will purr along happily, though at slightly-reduced effectiveness (in particular, you won't be able to run a tracker for anyone outside your network). Jouster 14:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom k&e, I couldn't care less

People like yourself are either ignorant on the subject or are just fanboys trying to defend a program that they like.

Anyway, if it's simply ignorance on your behalf, then please feel free to read my explanation on this page (probably above what you are currently reading).

If it's simply that you are a fanboy, then tough.

All of you, please read this Wikipedia Guideline: Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages — Mütze 16:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Azureus as a portable application?

On august 13th DizzyTech categorized Azureus as a Portable application. To my knowledge, it isn't true.

To make Azureus load its settings form an arbitrary directory, i had to modify the source and recompile it. If some user knows how to do it in a smarter way, please write it down here, because there isn't a lot of information about it on the Internet. Amux 11:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

see http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Commandline_options --89.55.204.173 16:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nagware

a window pops up ever so often telling you how much you've up/downloaded and how long you've been using the application, asking you to donate. Does this make it donationware or Nagware? --80.62.185.50 07:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

no

yes

I've never gotten a pop-up like that. ~Blake D. Hawkins 02:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah, nagware uses popups everytime you use the app, Azureus only uses the popup once your seed/leech ration gets to a certain point. --Ferdia O'Brien 15:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Why is there a link for "Optimization for German DSL Connections" on the External Links section? This link doesn't appear to be relevant to Azureus and the page it links to isn't even in English. Can someone comment on this?

Good question. Removed. — Mütze 00:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This was due, in part, to the program's reliance on the Java virtual machine.

"This was due, in part, to the program's reliance on the Java virtual machine. However, this issue has been rectified as of version 2.4.0.0. It is now possible to run Azureus using GCJ, thus performing as native code and considered fully free software as it no longer depends on a proprietary virtual machine."

I call BS. Any reference at all that *any* of the information in the section above even remotely is true?

gcj "better" than sun jvm = false : check

native code faster than vm = false : check (sun's jvm jit compile code ~= native code anyway)

et cetera /Anders 85.228.103.19 16:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


Native GCJ Azureus is not really faster than Sun's JIT/JVM Azureus... Both of which are noticeably laggier than a true native C/C++ application from the standpoint of GUI responsiveness.

[edit] Zudeo

The article Zudeo redirects to azureus, but isn't zudeo azureus 3.0? http://www.zudeo.com/az-web/app why is it (C) Azureus inc?~ Feureau 16:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there seems to be a bit of confusion about how Azureus, Azureus, Inc., and Zudeo are all related. Some of the core devs of the bittorrent client Azureus formed the company Azureus, Inc., which has recently released Zudeo, which is powered by Azureus. I've just created the Azureus, Inc. article and had Zudeo redirect there instead. This page may help clear some things up, but unfortunately being a wiki it is probably not a reliable source. -SpuriousQ 08:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] language/description

would it be possible to edit this page to describe what azureus actually does in plain, non-techie, layman's english? i checked out this page in order to learn what one can do with the program (i.e. download movies/tv shows, share music, etc.) and since i don't know what BitTorrent or any of those other terms mean, i caame away with no clearer understanding.

Wikipedia is not a HOWTO guide, unfortunately. Check the program's official site for this type of information. Jouster 14:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] azureus most feature packed client?

Should it be mentioned in the article that according to the Comparison of BitTorrent software on wiki shows azureus to be the most feature packed? This has been said elsewhere. I think it is worth a mention in the feature section. And speaking of the feature section, its not very good at explaining much. Its kind of a collection of a couple disorganized features --Nytemunkey 19:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SafePeer Plugin

Any reason SafePeer isn't listed in the Plugins section? Ok to add it? 203.213.7.133 16:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

Do we have a credit for the artist of the Azerueus logo? I haven't been able to find a name. 203.213.7.133 16:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

It's one Dylan Wreggelsworth, as said in the about box of Azureus.Leeisl 15:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Virtual machine

I removed the following:

and considered fully free software as it no longer depends on a virtual machine

it's unreferenced as although I'm not an expert are free software, I've never heard of using a virtual machine somehow making software not fully free. Free software and the GCJ article also make no mention of this supposed fact. I suspect whoever wrote this got confused. Depending on an unfree virtual machine like Sun's Java presemuably makes the software not 'fully' free. But depending on a virtual machine in itself doesn't. There are of course free Java VMs (whether Azureus supported any of them I don't know) Nil Einne 12:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

"and considered fully free software" is correct, but "as it no longer depends on a virtual machine" is not as GCJ is acting as the JVM. The point is that there was no free software JVM before GCJ. --Pmsyyz 22:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Aye, it's a slippery slope. Does a non-GPL BIOS then negate a claim of being free software? What about closed-source HDD or DVD firmware? Unless someone has a Stallman quote, I'm going to contend that the referenced concern over "free-ness" is a pretty small-minded view and doesn't deserve a place on WP. Jouster 15:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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