Talk:Axl Rose

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Article Grading: The following comments were left by the quality and importance raters: (edit · refresh) Has image, large sections which identify anything about him, useful set of links, references (although no inline footnotes). Is close to GA.—♦♦ SʘʘTHING(Я) 14:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] This article is filled with unsourced information

This article needs a complete re-work. I have removed a ton of claims from the article that have no sources. Before anyone attempts a rewrite I would suggest that you take a look at Wikipedia's guidelines for writing a biography of living persons at WP:BIO. Unsourced negative information must be removed IMMEDIATELY. We cannot use blogs and personal websites as sources for such information. You must use reliable secondary sources to make these claims. Vivaldi (talk) 11:39, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stripped?

This article seems to be stripped of a whole lot of information. Nothing on his relationships, some of his feuds, Erins miscarrage, and other notable things. Its only about early life, Look at You Game Girl, and Chinese Democracy.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.223.107.220 (talk) 18:30, 22 March 2007

This article was stripped because this is a biography of living person and as such, as editors, we must be held to a higher standard than other articles. The specific rules you need to read regarding this are found at WP:BLP. Blogs and personal web pages of fans and fan clubs are not acceptable to be used as sources for an encyclopedia article about a living person. If you need to learn what a reliable source is check out WP:RS for more information. I'd love to see this article expanded to include his relationships and other information, but not if it means we resort to using personal webpages of GNR fans as sources for our information. Vivaldi (talk) 06:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia integration? Why?

Trivia section is relevent, and should remain.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pro-trivia (talk • contribs) 22:45, 24 March 2007.

I agree that the information in the trivia section is relevant. The problem is that encyclopedias do not include "Trivia" sections in their articles. If the information is important enough to be discussed and it pertains to Axl Rose, then the information ought to be integrated into the article text in appropriate places. One popular place for many trivia items is "Pop culture references". A section titled "Trivia" is non-encyclopedic. Vivaldi (talk) 03:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

i responded on your talk, as you inquired as to why i placed the tag on this page. if the information is relevant, there should not be a problem in the integration. however, if it is interesting (i personally find trivia interesting), but not important, it should go. plz see Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles. the_undertow ^talk 04:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Axl Rose is the name he is notable for

On Wikipedia we use the name that a person is most notable under. In nearly every source that refers to Axl Rose in the media he is referred to as Axl Rose and not "W. Axl Rose". We don't put "Tom Cruise" under "Thomas Mapother" or even "Thomas Cruise", because neither of those names are what he is best known by. I don't mind if you want to mention that Axl Rose's full legal name is "W. Axl Rose", but you'll need to provide a reliable source to make that claim in the article. The first sentence should discuss "Axl Rose", the name he is notable for, and not "W. Axl Rose", which nobody ever calls him in popular culture or otherwise. Vivaldi (talk) 21:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true. And he did change is name to Axl Rose so it is his official name. Course, the W. stands for something but either way, your right, we should reference him as Axl Rose as just Rose. Not everything has to be so formal. And also, why is there a picture of him from 2006? Why not one from 1985, when the band was founded? MaulYoda 00:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

All i think is that the article should BEGIN with W. Axl Rose not be called that or call him that all the way through the article because he is more commonly known as 'Axl Rose'. His name has never been 'Axl Rose'. In 1985, he changed his name to 'W. Axl Rose' the 'W' is not an abbreviation. Bucketheader 09:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

If he did legally change his name, those court documents are public records and should be obtainable. Finding them and citing them would go a long way to putting an end to the edit war. -- Upholder 15:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know anything about America or it's court documents. Can they be easily found on the internet? Bucketheader 16:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Many court documents are available on the Internet and many are not. The first problem you'll have to overcome is discovering what state and what county that the proceeding occurred in. The rules for legally changing ones name vary state by state. Usually it is handled by the local county civil court, but sometimes a Superior Court or probate court may handle the case. I think it would be easier to find a secondary source for this claim rather than the primary court document (if it is in fact true that W. Axl Rose is his legal name, rather than just a name that he sometimes uses in certain circumstances).

[edit] credits and reversion

after reading the imdb source, if you want to mention his credits, it's probably correct to say he is 'most often' credited as w axl rose. looking at the ref, this would be true. the_undertow ^talk 01:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)