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Contents 1 DH-2 2 Targets of early planes? 3 Removed table 4 Weight? 5 Edit 6 Art 7 First ship sunk 8 Stability of Pushers 9 Notable aces 10 If anyone wants to add famous bomber pilots 10.1 A matter of no importance 10.2 Cut it out 10.3 Burn, baby, burn

[edit] DH-2

Ok, actually, the DH-2, along with the Nieuport 11(and 16) was one of the first planes to be capable of defeating the Fokker E series. It was MORE maneuverable than the Fokker E-Types, not less. And is credited with being one of the planes to end the Fokker Scourage. Anyone disagree?The UNeducated

Sounds good to me. I'm actually ignorant about the subject matter here. I'm a WWI aviation buff, but I'm pretty much learning as I write the article. FranksValli 03:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Quite frankly, a thrown brick would have been more manoeuverable than a Fokker Eindekker! It was little more than a recce/training plane, still using wing warping for turns, and seriously overladen by the full Spandau, until the later fitting of more powerful engines.

Its huge success was due 100% to the ability of the pilot to aim the gun by aiming the plane.

The DH-2 WAS very manoeuverable - for a pusher. It couldn't perform a roll or a loop, for example.

Pushers were designed for stability, and to avoid any chance of a spin, and in two seater pushers (Be2c for example) the Observer was the senior officer and sat in the front, using the excellent stability as e.g. a camera platform) chrisboote 15:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Targets of early planes?

This will sound stupidly obvious to those in the know but ... the article says that the Fokkers were devastatingly effective... against what targets?? Presumably against allied aircraft or did they also fire on ground and naval targets? -- Russell E 20:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

As well as Allied planes, they fired at ground troops, supply centres, gun emplacements, barrage balloons, anything that could be considered a military target. However, the Germans split their aviation into two distinct categories, squadrons designed to 'do stuff' - all of the list above plus photo reconnaissance, artillery spotting and the like, and hunter squadrons, whose primary function was to eliminate enemy aircaft. chrisboote 15:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

They were mainly attacking Allied reconaissance & artillery spotting aircraft, as well as the escorts for these missions. Trekphiler 05:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed table

Hi WWI wikipedians! I have merged the list of aircraft on this page with this list:

• List of military aircraft of Entente Powers in WWI

Therefore I removed the list in this page to avoid duplication and edits in different places. I have naturally linked to the lists under Aviation in World War I#Notable_Aircraft.

The other list for the Central Powers is: List of military aircraft of Central Powers in WWI.

My regards, Dennis Nilsson. Dna-Dennis ^{talk - contribs} 03:10, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Weight?

The article said:

"With limited engine power, aircraft could only afford a certain amount of weight, and therefore were made of mostly canvas and wood. Therefore, planes flown improperly, such as not cutting off the engine in a dive, would suffer structural failure due to G-forces."

I'm less than convinced weight & engine power governed construction in wood & canvas, & I know this didn't affect structual strength. I've rewritten. Trekphiler 17:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edit

The article said:

"that year by the Canadian Roy Brown,"

I've seen a TV doc that traces the trajectories to an Australian AA MG team; I've rewritten to that effect. I also deleted "former Indy race car driver Eddie Rickenbacker gaining fame as America's top scoring ace with 26 enemy planes shot down." He wasn't that important, & certainly doesn't merit mention in the same breath as von Richthoven.

Also, can somebody delete Osterkamp's 6 WW2 kills? This is an article on WW1 aviation. And include WAB's VC? And, can somebody clarify (or correct) why Oz pilots are listed as "under Britain" & Canadians aren't? Both would've been RFC/RNAS, N? Trekphiler 17:41 & Trekphiler 18:45, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Art

Anybody want to try on an article on nose/side art? I've seen (& del) ref to Baracca's cavallino (the Ferrari page), & it occured to me we could collect that stuff: the cavallino, the Fr AF stork of 12h Gp de Chasse, the Hat in the Ring (17h Aero Sqn?), & others. N just WW1, either: WW2 bits like Memphis Belle or Glamorous Glennis, the AVG sharkmouth, Vietnam/modern Bunnyhead, whatever. Takers? Trekphiler 18:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First ship sunk

I recall hearing that a ship was sunk by planes early in the war. I do not know any more details. I think it should be included in this article once more information is found. It was the first ship to be sunk by planes.

[edit] Stability of Pushers

I've reworded the line about Pushers being unstable and unmanoeuverable.

They were famously stable - some simply could NOT spin, even deliberately. chrisboote 15:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable aces

I've put the table in score order, & tidied it up a little chrisboote 15:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] If anyone wants to add famous bomber pilots

In 1915 Marie Marvingt became the first woman in the world to fly combat missions when she became a volunteer pilot flying bombing missions over German-held territory. She subsequently received the Croix de Guerre 1914 -1918 avec palmes (French Military Cross) for her aerial bombing of a German military base in Metz. Random Passer-by 23:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A matter of no importance

The article says WW1 aviation had little influence. I've seen a documentary, with historical advice from Brerton Greenhous, that implied aircraft produced the trench war, by making secret movement impossible. "Little influence"? Trekphiler 05:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cut it out

I deleted, "On February 5th Stephen W. Thompson, a member of the 1st Aero Squadron, achieved the first aerial victory by the U.S. military^[1]." Unless editors intend to mention the first victory of all powers, drawing attention to the U.S. is inappropriate. Trekphiler 06:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Burn, baby, burn

I rewrote, "Attacks on balloons were so frequent that observers were given parachutes" to "Because balloons were so flammable, due to the hydrogen used to inflate them, observers were given parachutes". Due to their strong AA defences, a product of their importance, balloons were tough targets. Trekphiler 06:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)