Talk:Avenue Q

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Contents 1 Too long Synopsis? 2 May 28th, 2006? 3 Princeton's College 4 Simulated puppet sex 5 Rod and Bert 6 I'm nominating this! 7 NOT the Venetian 8 London Changes 9 Foreign swedish productions 10 YouTube links 11 Criticism of the show 12 The Internet is for Porn 13 Closing in Vegas 14 External links

[edit] Too long Synopsis?

The synopsis seems to go on for page after page after page, telling every single part of the show. Can we get something more concise in there, so people have a reason to see it?

I did some substantial editing/shortening and removed the {plot} tag from the main page, since I thought it had been cleaned up enough that the warning was no longer necessary. I'm sure it could use some additional polishing, though! Thatotter 03:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)thatotter

Well, that's certainly a big improvement! I combined some of the short paragraphs into longer ones. Sleep on it and give it another quick once over. I think it's pretty close now. -- Ssilvers 06:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] May 28th, 2006?

A second production of Avenue Q opened on September 8, 2005 in the Broadway Theatre, a $40 million, 1,200 seat venue built to house the production at the Wynn Las Vegas hotel/casino, which only lasted about nine months before closing on May 28th, 2006 due to poor ticket sales and building conflicts.

Um, as I write this, May 28 is a few months away. Why's this in past tense? Or are the years wrong? - furrykef (Talk at me) 07:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that myself reading though it, so I changed the original wording and added a reference. --Fxer 22:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Princeton's College

According to creator Jeff Marx, Princeton attended Cornell University, but Marx later decided that Princeton's college ought to be left unknown and that any rhyme with "swell" should not exist in a Broadway musical. It is unfortunate that I cannot find a citation for this, as I understand that this comment should not be in the article without verification. I attended a presentation by Jeff Marx and he made this comment. Princeton originally had a full verse in "It Sucks to Be You" where this comment was made.--Xtreambar 17:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Producer Jeffery Seller says in his Compact Broadway interiew that Princeton graduated from Princeton University.208.54.14.9 06:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simulated puppet sex

...its adult content and "full puppet nudity" (including graphic simulated sex between puppets)

I love this. So the puppets don't actually have sex? Flapdragon 13:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)\

Being as though puppets do not have fully functional sex organs, I don't think they could actually have sex. Fllmtlchcb 21:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, the Princeton and Kate Monster puppets used in that scene stay under the sheets and you don't see whether or not they have "fully functional sex organs". Trekkie Monster stays in his apartment while having sex with himself. I don't know whether the puppets could actually have sex or not.208.54.14.73 06:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL, this "full puppet nudity" thing cracks me up. Janet6 02:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

In the Stockholm production, they aren't under the sheets, and are shown having sex in several positions —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.55.94.35 (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Yes but as the Kate and Princeton are puppets (not marionettes) they don't have too many body parts below the waist, GCW50 10:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rod and Bert

In the character section, Rod is stated as a parody of Bert. Not only have I never heard this for fact, but I do not see any parody resemblance. At most, it seems subjective. Anyone have a citation or substantial evidence?--kubfann 02:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure it's only inferred, but Rod and Nicky are adult versions of Bert and Ernie. Since Nikki and Ernie have not only the same basic look but voice actor as well, it can be said that Rod is most likely Bert. It's not a fact, more of an assured inference. Fllmtlchcb 10:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. This was clear to me the very first time i listened to any of the songs, and since it is puppets, and the same actor, it's pretty much clear that it is indeed a parody. Josh 23:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm nominating this!

Even though I'm a relatively new editor (just 150 contributions old), I really think this is a solid article, and one of the best that WikiProject Musical Theatre has to offer. With that in mind, I am nominating it for featured article status. (Be Bold!) I do think it needs a little bit of work to actually get there, but not that much. A little attention is all it needs, I think. :) MrCheshire 20:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is hardly even close to FA status. I noticed you haven't offically nominated it yet, and I would suggest that you don't. It's got too much fancruft and not enough references. Try putting it through GA and PR first. — warpedmirror (talk) 20:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, that's fair. I figured it was worth a shot, though. MrCheshire 04:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It need a lot of work. For example, the section headings don't even conform to WP:MoS. --Usgnus 17:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOT the Venetian

Who the heck vandalized the page?! There are numerous news sources saying that Avenue Q opened up at WYNN LAS VEGAS, not the Venetian, and now the page says it was conceived for a hotel that it never even opened at! I'm fixing it right now, but I can't even understand the humor in it...it's just annoying!...

[edit] London Changes

This is original research, and thus can't be included in the entry, but when I saw the show in London on 13 September, there were some differences from what was listed here. Gary was still Gary, but his verse began "I used to be the cutest black kid on TV / I made a lot of money that my parents stole from me." He was also referred to as the "handyman" rather than the "superintendent."

One thing that may have been added to the London show was during the money collecton scene. Princeton remarks that they collected "a coin that says 'Euro' on it," and remarked that you can't buy anything with that. Considering the weakness of the Euro relative to the GBP, that seemed like it may have been an add, but as I never saw the show on Broadway, I can't be sure. Brad E. Williams 19:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

In the Broadway version, the line is improvised by Princeton each night depending on what's found in the hat, so I imagine it's done similarly in London. When I saw it, he said, "Ooh, a MetroCard! I'll take that." --Birdhombre 20:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

When I saw it on Broadway, someone put their phone number in the hat, and Princeton said "I'll call for a good time." and then Foa pocketed it. XD Fllmtlchcb 23:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign swedish productions

i wanted to know if the foreign productions in Sweden and other non-english speaking countries; are localised(lyrics translated from english to Swedish), or will they be produced in the original English language.--SamiKaero 17:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The Swedish production has translated book and lyrics according to the website -- 195.242.43.66 09:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 03:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of the show

There isn't any here, is there? There certainly are critical comments out there, for example that there's lots to like about the show, but most of it is in the first act. Lovingboth 22:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Internet is for Porn

Should this song have it's own page? I mean, it's the most popular song in the musical and that is how tons of people find out about it. Not to mention, all of the videos on YouTube. I really think it would be a good idea. The Quidam 00:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Closing in Vegas

The comment that the show was closed despite being profitable seems dubious to me, so I've requested a source. However, if the 65% number is indeed correct it is worth noting that the big attraction for a show like this in a Las Vegas casino is to draw customers into the resort who will then dine, shop, and gamble. The actual monetary profit from the ticket sales of show is to some extent superflous compared to the overall revenues of the resort. Seen in that light, a show selling only 65% of its seats, despite some profit, could go a long way towards explaining its closure.

[edit] External links

Are all these external links really useful? Some should probably be weeded out. Also, I kind of expected a link to the claimed internet phenomenon "The Internet is for Porn" but there wasn't one. // habj 22:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)