Talk:Auto-Tune

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Fall Out Boy?

Why was Fall Out Boy mentioned in this article as not using auto-tune? Are they commonly mistaken for using it? Or did someone just feel like randomly plugging their favorite band?

1 POV
2 Verifiability and sources
3 No evidence
4 Cher?
5 hellogoodbye
6 T-Pain??!

[edit] POV

It seems pretty clear that the second paragraph violates the NPOV policy. I removed "Many feel that this approach devalues real musical talent. Some liken it to computer spell-checking. Others know rightfully that it is an absolute evil, causing almost all a capella CDs for modern groups to sound inhuman and much worse. No musician with any hint of talent should have to use it as it is much like using a metronome on stage. It brings the world no see-able good.".
Most of this article ought to be nuked, actually, as it's about 'pitch correction' as opposed to Antares's 'Auto-Tune' which is what I assume it was supposed to be about in the first place.
Jimduchek 06:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Amen! This freaking article drives me insane, most if not all of the listed artists use a VOCODER to produce the effect that has been erroneously attributed to Antares' Auto-Tune. There is no discussion about envelope-followers or any real technical aspects of what the algorithm is doing, just the further perpetuation of the myth that the "Cher effect" was done with Auto-Tune. Eli lilly 23:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verifiability and sources

Please don't add a performer to this article unless you can provide a reliable source proving that the performer uses Auto-Tune. FreplySpang (talk) 00:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No evidence

People are just adding names of people who they 'assume' use Auto-Tune. There is no evidence whatsoever.

[edit] Cher?

Regarding Cher's Song Believe - I believe this used a Vocoder, and not Autotune. If someone can verify this with a source, then her name and song should be removed from the article —This unsigned comment was added by 172.209.119.176 (talk • contribs) .

What's the difference? —Keenan Pepper 00:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

No. It was Auto-Tune (you can also read it its manual... if you set it to full strenght you get the infamous Cher's effect). What really puzzles me is the fact that "Freak Like Me" is quoted here - it has NO trace of Auto-Tune in it, why was it added here? MoLo 10:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No, AutoTune wasn't used to achieve the effect in Cher's "Believe." The engineers who worked on it describe their process here: [[1]]. That said, AutoTune can be used to achieve similar effects, and the current language in the article doesn't exactly imply that AutoTune was used on that track, although it's probably furthering a popular misconception, so maybe it ought to be changed. 158.223.26.22 16:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I think this article is insane. It doesn't really describe what autotune does, only comparing it to an effect found in a bunch of tracks that all seem to have actually been effected via vocoder, when the two don't really work or sound the same. I intend to remove those references and to try to rework the article citing verifiable references only. Eli lilly 02:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

But it has a nice photo, however, doesn't it? Re: Cher, while those effects may not have been achieved via Auto-Tune, most of those who have subsequently used the effect have used Auto-Tune, set, as the article describes, to rather extreme parameters. Other than perhaps garage bands, no commercially meaningful (even in the Indie sense) band has ever used Vocoder to achieve the "Cher" effect. Other effects, even similar ones, surely, but not exactly that one. And plenty of bands have used that same effect. This comes from my brother-in-law, who is a drummer and producer, and whose knowledge of the music industry is impressive.

At least CMX, one of Finland's most popular bands, has used a vocoder to replicate the "Cher effect" on the second track of Aion, their 2003 album. The source for this is the band's own Q&A page [2]. (Ironically, the band falsely claims in their answer that Cher used Auto-tune in the making of "Believe".) Kaivosukeltaja 09:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hellogoodbye

Removed the following:

"The somewhat robotic vocal effect can also be found in the song "Bonnie Taylor Shakedown... 2K4", from the Californian power-pop four, Hellogoodbye's self titled EP. It can also be noticably heard on the tracks "All Of Your Love", "Here (In Your Arms)", "All Time Lows", "I Saw It On Your Keyboard" and "Touchdown Turnaround" from their debut album "Zombies! Aliens! Vampires! Dinosaurs!"."

It's a long section about a comparatively obscure band. The other more well known songs mentioned (far more briefly) in the paragraph are sufficiently illustrative of the effect, IMHO.