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[edit] Nomination process is confusing

"Click here to add a new nomination" is totally broken... why is the only useful instruction in a hidden comment at the bottom of the page? :/ Are new nominations supposed to go at the start or end?

Also can someone rewrite the annoying 2 weeks thing using the nifty magic words? pfctdayelise (translate?) 08:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed "click here" to point at the right section again. I clarified that new nominations should be at the end.
I don't know if the "annoying 2 weeks thing" can be fixed with magic words, subst: and #expr or not. The algorithm for adding 14 days to a date is surprisingly complex as each month has a different number of days (and some Februarys are different again). I'm also not sure whether the subst can be protected now, but used when the template is copied without ending up with even more complex instructions. Most people seem to be able to cope with the current instructions. If you can't get the 14 days right, someone usually comes along and corrects it.
Do you have specific suggestions? It IS a wiki. --Scott Davis Talk 07:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Do you mean template as in an actual template or just the html comment? pfctdayelise (translate?) 08:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I meant the text in the HTML comment. Do you think the process could be made easier with a Wikimedia template? --Scott Davis Talk 13:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
OK let me see... today is Sat 31 Mar, 2 weeks will be Sat 14 Apr. Hm, do these subst? test: Sat 21 Oct --pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


OK inputbox doesn't actually work as the box specifies... I will see if any help on buzilla comes first. pfctdayelise (translate?) 15:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I see you've worked out how to do times with ParserFunctions ({{#time:D j M|+14 days}} gives Sat 14 Apr). To get them to subst properly just stick <includeonly> around the "subst", which I've done now. --bainer (talk) 02:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks bainer. And I fixed up the sig thing based on a similar trick. So it is more or less good to go. All you need to do is press the button, change the article name and add a reason, if you want. pfctdayelise (translate?) 03:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Does the above box work? If so, should it now be added to the page? It would greatly simply nominations.--cj | talk 19:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current collaboration template updated

I noticed that the sign at the head of ACOTF was still saying Gough Whitlam several days after Bringing them Home was announced as the new ACOTF, so I tracked down the templates and updated them to point to the new article. Hope I haven't broken any rules. Phaedrus86 22:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Not at all - thankyou. The main page says anyone can update it after about 8pm AEST on the relevent Sunday nights. I got round to it at about 1am the next morning, and seem to have missed one of the most important bits! Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 00:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
We all slip up occasionally, especially at 1am! Glad I could help. Phaedrus86 00:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time to update the guidelines?

The first two paragraphs of the ACOTF page include:

This is a specific topic which either has no article or a basic stub page that is directly related to Australia, the aim being to have a featured-standard article by the end of the period, from widespread cooperative editing.
The project aims to fill gaps about Australia in Wikipedia, to give users a focus and to give us all something to be proud of.

And further down under "Considerations for nominations"

Please only nominate Australian articles which don't currently exist or need serious work. – also see Australia stubs).

It seems to be time to discuss updating these guidelines to keep up with the times. Since these were written:

  • The Feature Article standards have increased significantly
  • Many more Australian topics have articles giving at least basic information
  • The referencing standards have become stronger
  • WikiProject Australia has been established and this collaboration has become part of it.

To start a discussion:

--Scott Davis Talk 02:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

There are comparatively few missing or stub topics now that need this sort of attention than there were in 2004, and more longer articles that could really do with that time, so I think we should get rid of the suggestion that it need be either missing or a stub. Mentioning those categories could be good for potential collaborations, but I don't think it needs to be a requirement. Making FA, on the other hand, needs to remain the fundamental aim of this - GA is comparatively pointless. Rebecca 05:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, I hadn't noticed that the categories you mentioned existed. In theory, any article that is proposed for ACOTF should already be in both of those categories and would be in neither by the end of the fortnight.
This might sound a little harsh, but I think that if someone wants to propose an article that doesn't exist, they should create the stub or place it in Requests, then propose the ACOTF after the article has been created.
I don't think that the length of the article should work against it. I'd propose to change the first sentence to:
This is a specific topic which is significant to, and directly related to, Australia. The aim is to substantially improve the article, ideally to featured-standard, by the end of the period, from widespread cooperative editing.
In this scenario, there is theoretically no reason why an article couldn't be ACOTF once to get it from stub to reasonable, then sometime later be ACOTF again to get to FA. --Athol Mullen 05:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
From non-existant to FA in a fortnight? Holy Crap! If we could do that WP would be emblazoned all over with FA articles. While ideally with a very active colab this might happen, I believe it would be an outside shot at even being idealistic - think virtually impossible. Prove me wrong and I'll be impressed. I like the suggestion above by Athol Mullen. The criteria should be significance not stub or non-existant. Now if someone wants to suggest a significant subject that is non-existant, I think more than just myself would be interested to hear. I like the ultimate aim of ACOTF being FA status or candidacy by the end of it. Persoally I think we need to have a head start and work with a article with a framework to build on. SauliH 05:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Athol - the orphan articles category won't change by a collaboration - that changes when a new Australian Wikiproject is formed and picks up some articles. I mentioned it here as that contains articles that do not already have a group of interested editors covering them.
My current proposed first paragraphs:
Every two weeks, an Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight will be picked using this page. This is a specific topic directly related to Australia, the aim being to develop the article to featured-standard article by the end of the period or soon after, from widespread cooperative editing.
The project aims to fill gaps about Australia in Wikipedia, to give users a focus and to give us all something to be proud of.
Considerations for nominations
I realise I'm pushing, so if you think I'm going the wrong way, please say so. --Scott Davis Talk 14:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I support the revised guideline proposed by ScottDavis, in particular the notion that the ACOTF is to give users a focus and to give us all something to be proud of. To achieve the aim it cannot be too esoteric a subject, thus it should be subject the wider Australian Wikipedian community can contribute to. Some clarity of direction is useful and review of aims seems appropriate; I don't see this as "pushing" :- )--Golden Wattle talk 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any aspect that's pushy: these are perfectly sensible suggestions, which ideally should be enacted as soon as possible. In my opinion, there's long been a disconect between guidelines and practice on this page; these changes would simply recognise the approach most now expect of ACOTF.--cj | talk 23:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I support ScottDavis' proposal. Anybody can create a stub, but people will only work on an article if they think it is notable, as is shown by the ignored requests for new articles, most of which have been around for ages (Bicentennial Heritage Trail, Daintree Reef, George Adams, Insurance in Australia, Poppy Industries, Sports Rorts affair, State Orchestra of Victoria, Yarmirr v Northern Territory).--Grahamec 01:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement. I've updated the page in the spirit of the proposal above. Please continue to discuss or improve these guidelines if required. Thanks. --Scott Davis Talk 14:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jump on board, another Feature article is within our grasp

Only a few more days of the Palm Island article being ACOTF, but already a new record for this Collaboration has been set!!! In only ten days 140 edits have been made by about a dozen editors!

This is what ACOTF is all about :) Please jump on board for the last 100 meter slog to get this thing up to a standard that is eligible for consideration to become a featured-standard article. This could be the first in over two years to make it, but we need more editors who would like to see this one go Feature. See you on Palm, Alec -(answering machine) 12:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

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