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[edit] Map request

Is anyone aware of a map like this one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Australia.png , except:

• SVG format
• Accurate state borders
• includes New Zealand

?

I'd like to re-do this one, except use text labels so that it can easily be used for other sports which have a NZ team(s) in their league such as rugby league, basketball, and netball. (An Australia-only version would be good for Aussie rules and rugby union as well).

(Note I didn't include a thumb of the first map here, as it is located at commons and a duplicate named image is on en.wikipedia.org) -- Chuq 05:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: I'm going to use this one in the meantime but an SVG version with state borders would be better! -- Chuq 23:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Why would you want to include New Zealand anyway :-) DXRAW 10:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Because most major Australian sports leagues have a NZ team in them :P Oh and by the way, I have put one of these maps live at A-League#Clubs. -- Chuq 11:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be great if you could combine them with text labels, as on User:Zondor/Labelled Map Documentation. Also an inset for Melbourne might be a good idea for the AFL one --Astrokey44 01:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

See updated example from A-League shown at right. I"m not really sure about the AFL ones as I didn't think there was much geographical significance to the Melbourne teams? -- Chuq 05:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks great! Maybe it should go in a template so that you dont have to put all the code on the article itself. AFL team rivalries talks about neighbouring teams so there is some significance.--Astrokey44 08:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Afds on this page

Can whoever removes every AfD as soon as they are completed please not do so - Australian AfDs should be left up for a day or so on this page so that people can see the outcome of each discussion. They're being removed immediately and it becomes hard to track what's been happening where. JRG 06:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You can always look to the page history. The list would become unwieldy if we didn't limit it to current debates.--cj | talk 06:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. That list is for people to be able to access current debates which are open. If you want to view closed ones, use the log. Daniel Bryant 13:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say that we should keep every closed debate - I asked that they not be removed straightaway. A 24 hour gap is not unreasonable. JRG 05:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Why not add AfD's of interest to your watchlist? -- Longhair\^talk 08:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Because AfDs open and close all the time - it's too much work - leaving them on there even for 24 hours allows me and others to see the outcome of the debate without forgetting what was there beforehand. JRG 13:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jimbo on Australia Talks

If you're interested, you can get a podcast of Jimbo talking on Radio National's Australia Talks here. Hesperian 06:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Good interview, with the founder debate ("the founder, not the co-founder!" says Jimmy), Brandt, Essjay, Bomis and even Peter Hollingworth popping up.--cj | talk 08:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

How awesome is the ten year old? hehe :) --pfctdayelise (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I liked the Peter Hollingworth bit... he complained that Wikipedia accurately copied things from newspapers where the original news article's facts were wrong. Sort of a nice back-handed compliment - Peripitus (Talk) 11:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

And I totally agree with the guy at 22:15. (newspapers are hardly infallible.) --pfctdayelise (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Any idea who the "RAF hero killed by communists in Malaysia" was? One of the callers (Gordon from New Norfolk) seemed a bit miffed that he wasn't the subject of a Wikipedia article. I'd be happy to start one, but the name of the fellow in question was not mentioned. --Canley 12:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

If this is too stream-of-consciousness, please refractor it here:

• The co-founder/founder thing seemed to be wikiality applying to radio - Jimbo says that he was the founder, and the interviewer accepts it as truth. A casual listener might assume that the interviewer didn't do his homework. I was similarly unimpressed with his response to the porn question. Yes, it wasn't porn, but it wasn't totally made up. If he mentions briefly the real story, then it would reveal how misinformation spreads. The person asking was apparently from Southern Cross University - maybe the people from the uni wanted to believe that wikipedia was associated with porn. (Is Southern Cross Uni a religious university?) Actually, I'm glad wikipedia got funding from a company like Bomis. It's encyclopedias that receive funding from the Tides Center that I worry about.
• The question about porn sites using wikipedia content to trick search engines was an interesting way to get away from the porn question. I suspect that it's only a matter of time before email spammers use wikipedia content to try to convince filters that they are legitimate emails.
• The radio interviewer said "Is wikipedia the democratisation of knowledge, or [something bad]?" The unspoken assumption is that democratisation of knowledge is unquestionably good. Democracy is good, but it's not enough on its own.
• I was shocked, shocked, that someone from Byron Bay was not a fan of Bush or Howard. He suggested Britannica had a pro-American bias, and suggested that you question everything. That's all well and good, but a totally nihilistic approach is useless.
• The session implied that only admins fight vandalism.
• Hollingworth's point about misinformation being spread raises an interesting point. We assume that if a claim is made in several different sources, it must be true. At least wikipedia cites its sources. I wish that everyone who claimed that Bush posed with a plastic turkey did the same.
• Jimbo's comment that wikipedia has the same legal status as a message board. While very convenient, it's somewhat unsatisfactory. In message boards, you sign what you write, whereas with wikipedia articles, it says "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". A blog post with the title Is it a floor wax, or a dessert topping? is a pithy summary of another organisation trying to have it both ways. I also hope that if a libel case that was a SLAPP was made against an editor, that wikipedia would support the targetted editor.

Andjam 03:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category List of rage guest programmers

Has been put up as a category for deletion. but I want some input from Aussies. link —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farsouth (talk • contribs) 03:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

I've added it to the Candidates for Deletion box above. --Canley 03:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dude, where's my country?

Citizendium launched yesterday. It currently does not have an article on Australia. I know that you can't produce everything at once, but even conservapedia has a half decent article! 12:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I love the way that Conservapædia is all backwards about what "liberal" means. It's my favourite parody website! To get back on topic, I don't have more letters after my name than in it, so I doubt that Citizendium wants me. Lankiveil 12:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

I notice the only state that Conservapedia has an article for is Tasmania, and I spotted five glaring errors, (major problems, not just minor inaccuracies!) -- Chuq 03:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It also lacks a map of the state. Andjam 03:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Australia now has an article at Citizendium. It uses some weasel words about aborigines, and picks out the two most controversial (least popular?) post-WW2 wars but doesn't mention other deployments such as East Timor. Andjam 03:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[Aborigines] remained primitive up until the British arrived - do we say that?? Oh, and not even a MENTION of Federation! ... --pfctdayelise (talk) 12:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Hicks and a new article

I have started a discussion about moving a bulk of text from the David Hicks page into a new page possibly called somthing like The trial of David Hicks or The detention and trial of David Hicks. The Hicks article is currently way too long and mostly is dealing with trial, including things like Major Mori possibly being charged for comments, and the validity of the proceedings, etc. Anyone want to add their thoughts. Or help with a new name (or do the shifting for me ;) ). Nomadtales 05:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Is a separate article necessary? I didn't think David Hicks was really notable outside of the trial (and associated charges, or lack of them at one stage!) -- Chuq 05:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No he is not really notable outside of being an idiot caught with a rocket launcher in Afghanistan, but a lot of the Hicks article is dealing with stuff, like I said, to do with the trial itself and surrounding issues like the Major Mori possibly being charged for his comments and a Human Rights worker questioning the validity of the case. This is outside the scope of an article to do with just Hicks himself. Nomadtales 05:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

In that case, I'd probably suggest one of the titles above, without the initial "The". If you can think of a single word that refers to the detention and trial, then used that. "Trial of David Hicks" is probably good, but wouldn't cover the last few years. "Legal issues of David Hicks" or "Detainment of David Hicks"? -- Chuq 06:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it is a tricky one to get the correct title. I like Detainment. Also the new article could cover things like public opinion shifting in Australia and the political campaigns waged by his father Terry and the GetUp organisation. Nomadtales 07:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

You mean photographed with a rocket launcher in Kosovo. --bainer (talk) 04:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that if the current content was tightened up (what is "Human Rights workers claim Hicks's charge violates treaties and Australian law" and "Punishment" for example really doing there?) then there really would be no need for an additional article. --Peta 04:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there needs to be a separate article, and as Peta suggests, the current article could be trimmed a bit, such as the entire list of allegations against Hicks. --Canley 22:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability - Australian rules football leagues, clubs and players

For editors interested in Australian football (the AFL kind), I have drawn up some draft notability guidelines (suggestions?) for leagues, clubs and players that can be found here - User:Mattinbgn/Sandbox - Notability Australian football leagues and clubs If these guidelines or an amended version thereof was gain some level of consensus it would provide some much needed guidance to editors about what article subjects are likely to be seen as notable and hopefully head off a number of WP:AfD debates. To keep all debate in the one location I would ask that comments be kept in the talk page of the draft guideline. All comments and suggestions and changes would be gratefully received.

I am unaware of any sort of formal process for setting out guidelines, so if I am in breach of some policy by starting here, please let me know.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 09:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Good move. No doubt the self-proclaimed WP policy police will come after you citing "instruction creep, instruction creep" and try to merge it into some other policy where it doesn't fit, but what you're doing is a helpful start anyway. You might like to put it into a proposal for notability at some later stage, or turn it into a notability essay. JRG 10:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney Harbour Ferry Crash

Can editors please keep a watch on articles to do with the recent ferry crash on Sydney Harbour - at least three articles have been created on the crash, including a separate one on the crash (now merged to Sydney Ferries), and two on two of the victims, one of whom is notable as a Australian champion figure skater, the other (Morgan Innes who is not and I have put on AfD. Creating so many articles is unnecessary. JRG 09:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible abuse of Wikipedia trademark

I don't pretend to understand trademark law, but in this month's issue of cleo <http://cleo.ninemsn.com.au/cleo/> there is a section called "cleo's guy wikipedia" or something to that effect. Basically it is a bunch of articles along the lines of "if a guy says X he really means Y". Anyways, it has nothing at all to do with wikipedia except for the use of our name.

I tried posting this to foundation-l but it bounced 3 times. The bellman 02:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

If the word was used in a tongue-in-cheek way, I'm not sure a trademark claim would have much traction. But I'm not a lawyer. Andjam 03:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds weird, it doesn't sound like they are parodying Wikipedia, it doesn't sound like they even doing anything Wikipedia-like (such as requesting additions and changes to the content) - it doesn't really make much sense. They just threw the word 'Wikipedia' in there because people have heard of it. -- Chuq 05:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah they were using it as a (possibly hipper) synonym to encyclopedia. Isn't there something about if you let ppl use your brand as a generic word you lose your ability to stop ppl from using it as a generic word in the future? Where is the appropriate place to ask/tell ppl who know/care? As i said i tried to post to foundation-l but failed. The bellman 09:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN would be a good place to start, get advise of where to go next. Gnangarra 10:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, the foundation has a trademarks committee. You might try contacting Jean-Baptiste Soufron, who is one of the members. There is also juriwiki-l, but if you can't post to foundation-l, chances are you can't reach juriwiki-l either. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 11:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jimbo interview

G'day guys, this is just to let you know that Jimbo Wales was interviewed by Ellen Fanning on Sunday this morning. Click on the following link to see the video - [1]. Cheers -- Ianblair23 (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow. requiring Internet Explorer: lame.

playing an ad before the video: lame.

overall, pretty boring. Siegenthaler, yawn.

Jimmy lied, he didn't edit her talk page at all! :) --pfctdayelise (talk) 12:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ack. That's the first time I've watched a Sunday segment in more than a year. How disappointing.--cj | talk 13:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

He's in Australia? Any chance we can meet up with him? enochlau (talk) 14:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

He's not in Australia yet. He will be from 23 April for a seminar series, which you could attend for the small fee of $300(!). Adelaide, Perth and Melbourne have already arranged to meet him for breakfast when he's in their respective cities. Sydney could possibly arrange one on 26 April. --cj | talk 15:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan, although Sydney people have been a little disorganised of late in terms of meeting up... :( enochlau (talk) 15:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket in Australia

The newly selected WP:ACOTF is another new article: Cricket in Australia. Please help to make it worthy. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah - the last collaboration was Australia and the United Nations which grew from nothing at the start of the collaboration, thanks to about ten editors. Thankyou to all who helped. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Melanesia

FYI WikiProject Melanesia has been started (it has been for a little while) and it needs a bit of help to kick on and get going. So for anyone with an interest in Fiji, New Caledonia, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, and Vanuatu come and join and help out. Nomadtales 03:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)