Talk:Australian hip hop

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Contents 1 Sound unlimited 2 Reverted material 3 External links 3.1 External links 4 Butterfingers

[edit] Sound unlimited

Surely Sound Unlimited deserve a mention here? They had an album release and a couple of hit singles back in the early 1990's. --Robert Merkel 02:13, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Well just add it they do deserve a mention.

"The biggest hip hop group in Australia is the Hilltop Hoods" - the term "biggest" seems a little vauge, I'm suggesting "commercially successful". Just seems clearer. And the sentence needed a slight cleanup to make it flow better. --Original Digga

What do you mean they aren't the biggest, we all know they are the most successful so therefore they are the biggest so there! Reddevilbatcave 08:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Pardon my ignorace but who are Natural Causes? The group that the writer belongs to? If you're going to mention random up-n-coming artists, surely there'd be some more deserving that they are? Engorge W 23:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Contradiction: The sentence "The most commercially successful hip hop group in Australia is the Hilltop Hoods. They have reached Gold status for their album "The Calling" - a feat that no other Australian hip hop group has achieved. " is then contradicted by the sentence "This success was mirrored by 1200 Techniques, who achieved gold status with their debut album Choose One". Manning 06:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I just fixed it. When I did the edit, the line about 1200 Techniques was for some reason at the end of the article, so I just moved it to the right spot. I presume at the time the HH line was written it was true, so I've now just changed it to saying that they were the first, instead of the only. pfctdayelise 01:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Can someone be bothered so as to put in other people worth mentioning such as Bliss N Eso, Hyjak N Torcha, Art Of War, Downsyde, Drapht, Lyrical Commission etc? Its nice to have Hilltop Hoods mentioned and all but theres alot more to Australian Hip Hop than just that. And when I mean mention, I mean a decent paragraphs worth of info on each artist.

Why don't you be bothered? It's a wiki, anyone can edit it. You make up this decent info and put it in. And by decent I presume you mean verifiable factual content, not stuff that sounds like it came from a press-release. pfctdayelise (translate?) 13:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted material

• User:203.82.183.147: I will continue to remove the claim that most tracks continue to be downloaded and distributed as MP3's until a source is provided for it. How do you know this? Claims should be verifiable.
• From User:141.168.55.124's edit, I removed this:

Australian hip hop as a musical genre has had slow-forming roots over the past few decades. As early as the 1970's, Australian artists were beginning to experiment with more lyrically-driven musical forms, though still markably different from our contemporary understanding of hip hop. Nigel Butterley's First Day Covers (1972) is an early example of intergrated spoken word with musical forms and popular themes, though often overlooked for its satirical edge (due mainly to the influence of Barry Humphries). A decade later, Fabian Cool's solo release Not Without My Microphone (1982), despite being classified as Gospel Music, was and is still widely regarded as a critical step in the domestic evolution of hip hop. Fabian Cool's later work with Frangipani And The Floating Circus of Lights would also craft the Australian hip hop scene further.

as well as the other references to Frangipani And The Floating Circus Of Lights, which is currently at AfD.

• User:203.94.130.237 made a useful formatting edit, which I put back in.

Anonymous users, please consider using a Wikipedia account. It makes life a lot easier, both for you and for us. There are lots of benefits. pfctdayelise 01:02, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I've moved the following here from the main page. I first looked at Wikipedia:External links. If there is a compelling reason not to follow this guideline, we can discuss it here. Then if we reach some accord on it, we can add these links back in.
brenneman^(t)(c) 07:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External links

• HipHop.net.au
• OzHipHop.com
• Stealth Magazine
• HipHopAustralia.com

I think you might be, well, over-applying policy. Especially as this article is not particularly well developed, external links can provide a jumping-off point for readers. With a topic like this, they can also provide more recent up-to-date information (like what's popular in 2005) than would be appropriate for us. And frankly, it just looks odd with no ELs. From WP:EL, "what should be linked to":

• Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as textbooks or reviews

I don't think any of the links constituted removal under "What should not be linked to".

Anyway, short of going through each website, I really think the Stealth Magazine link should go back. I did some research/editing for this article a while back and Stealth magazine kept coming up again and again. It's been around since 1999, I think it's a credible source within the Australian hip-hop community. (Although I have never seen a physical copy, and indeed don't even know if they exist.)

--pfctdayelise 14:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to discuss this. How about we start by putting Steath back on the main page then talk about the others? - brenneman^(t)(c) 08:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I put it back. As for Hiphop.net.au, I can't even get it to load. Ozhiphop.com seems to mostly centre around forums, so I don't think it's necessary unless someone can say it's the largest forum in Aus, and well known and regarded, etc. Hiphopaustralia.com doesn't seem to be anything more than a front page. So I'm not going to agitate for any of the others to go back. Probably there are good internet resources on Australian hiphop, but none of these (bar Stealth mag) are it. Thanks for your willingness to discuss. pfctdayelise 14:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for doing all the work! As to any other sources you find, I'm happy with anything that cites relaible sources, but might drop by once in a while and have a browse of what's here. Wikilove, man!
  brenneman^(t)(c) 12:47, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed hiphop.net.au, as it doesn't exist (try it, it just claims that the domain is for sale), and Hiphopaustralia.com, which also no longer exists.

[edit] Butterfingers

Where should Butterfingers go in the article? They have had lots of exposure on Triple J. there does not appear to be an associated list of artists. Paul foord 11:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)