Talk:Australian Liberal Students' Federation
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About the "not very significant electorall" - my intention with this was to point out that the ALSF have an impact on NUS inconsistent with their actual numerical strength. It may have been phrased dismissively, but probably something along those lines should be included in the article. The ALSF are quite small nationally compared especially with the two biggest Labor factions, but that doesn't mean they don't influence NUS conference greatly. Lacrimosus 21:18, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Having seen NUS I understand that. By the way, you would have to wonder why a political organization which has large parlimentary success would always be just about the smallest faction at NUS. Xtra 22:42, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- A number of reasons, I think, the biggest one being that student electorates always and everywhere are more radical than the general population. Also, the paramount issue for students, unlike the general electorate, is education policy, where the government is unpopular. It's interesting to note that with UK Labour in power attempting to introduce tuition fees, the radical left groupings have gained in influence. The same thing happened to the the Australian NUS when Labor was in power federally. Lacrimosus 23:13, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bias
I am not a Liberal but this article is heavily biased against them and seems to be written by someone wanting to disparage them. One user is keen to reinsert descriptions of them as "controversial" etc. I doubt they are any more controversial than any other group. DarrenRay 08:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
"TheUsualSuspect" edits call the group "vicious".
And continues:
"No other faction carries the notoriety attached to the ALSF at NUS National Conference. Opponents claim that the ALSF attempts to disrupt proceedings; the ALSF however claims that the Conference does not permit freedom of speech and despite preaching tolerance, the conference acts to gag dissident opinions."
"Controversial," "vicious," "no other faction carries the notoriety," "attempts to disrupt", clearly biased. DarrenRay 08:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- Those words were written by others, and were included in reverts made by me. The controversial nature of ALSF's involvement in NUS is notable. I removed unfounded statments as to the activities of ALSF at NUS conference, as you note above, giving both views (ie, opponents claim they disrupt confenence, ALSF claims they are being gagged).Theusualsuspect 08:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Removing Sentence Regarding 'Faction' and 'Caucus' As someone who is active in ALSF, while I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiments of the sentence regarding avoidance of the use of those terms, the facts are they are still quite commonly used. I'm not sure if the sentence is worth removal or the addition of an explanatory sentence regarding my own premise. Thoughts?
The language is wrong but the group is controversial. As an ousider with links to high ranking Liberal Party members i know that several times the group has been diciplined by the non young party for its actions. I have added a controvery section because it ough to be.
- Congratulations! You've just given away the fact that you're here on a political mission. Wikipedia isn't the place for "controversy" (oh, my!), it's the place for encylopedic information. You can have all the controversy (oh, my!) on your own blog if you so wish; but not here. michael talk 11:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] external links
I agree with removing those links:
- The liberal party is a right wing party and that wording was redundant
- The language and links were POV
- The young liberals do not have any representation at NUS. It is only Liberal alligned students.
Xtra 07:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
