Talk:Austin St. John

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This article was nominated for deletion on March 3, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on March 7, 2006. The result of the discussion was speedy bad faith nom keep.

Contents 1 Rumors on blogosphere 2 sorry guys 3 proof against the adult film thing 4 Article Cleanup Co-Ordination Point 4.1 Discussion

[edit] Rumors on blogosphere

Gee, I hope that wasn't a pathetic attempt to accuse me of vandalism for disagreeing with you on a discussion page. That's just not gonna fly. But whatever. I never altered the article, I just said my piece in the discussion page. I'm not going to waste time changing an article when someone and their army of sockpuppets will just change it back. I actually have a job. Majestic Lizard 04:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Did I ever say it was you vandalizing, jay-brone, or was I just saying I'm tired of the vandalism? Perhaps if you climbed down from your soapbox of digital manipulations and started reading for a change, I never once said YOU were a vandal nor did I mean to imply that you were. You just go on and do your job, whatever that may be, and leave this to others. Your work here is done. Thanks. - DrachenFyre > YOU! 12:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you did make that implication that I was a vandal. I'm Majestic_Lizard on here, not "Jay-brone" and your insistance to express yourself in a rude and condescending manner only undermines and contradicts your statement that you were doing anything other than attempting to paint me a vandal. You may not realize it but the statment you just made in which you referred to "digital manipulations" simply accuses me of something equating vandalism yet again. Do not order me not to particpate in Wikipedia discussion on this or any other page. Do not dictate to me when my work is done and I won't dictate the same to you. Its amazing how people like you can get away with the exact same behavior you accuse other members of. Majestic Lizard 18:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I've deleted the rest of this discussion because it is a clear violation of official policy. Please take note of the template at the top of the page which states, "Negative material, especially if potentially libelous, must be removed immediately if it is unsourced or poorly sourced. " Please stop making unsupported claims about St John's sexuality and/or his career. Talk pages are covered by BLP and it is the responsibility of the person making the claims to provide sources as evidence, not for others to disprove the claims. And by sources, we're talking about reliable sources such as The New York Times or the Washington Post. If you cannot provide such evidence, don't post the claims. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• 1) Your description of what is and is not a reliable source is highly ambiguous. The Washington Post and the New York Times are not always ideal reliable sources nor are they the only sources with credibility.
• 2) Something is only libel if it is false.
• 3) Your insinuation that homosexuality is "negative" is insensitive and rude.
• 4) Also your idea that in order for something to be true it must be endorsed by some "official" mouth piece is simply ludicrous. When you are in a burning building do you wait for the fire chief to tell you its on fire before you exit? I hope not.

What you have really done here is blank out a counter argument to your own opinion under the pretext of enforcing wikipedia regulations. Majestic Lizard 18:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Majestic Lizard, these aren't my "ideas" and "descriptions" and frankly, it is completely irrelevant if you find them "ludicrous". These are straight from the policy pages of Wikipedia and you must abide by them if you want to contribute to this site. Furthermore, I have not "blank[ed] out a counter argument to [my] own opinion under the pretext of enforcing wikipedia regulations." I am just trying to do my job as an administrator and your accusations are offensive and a gross violation of assume good faith. I did not even know who St John was until this article and the BLP issues here were brought to my attention and I don't care one way or the other about his sexuality or his film work. I have no "counter argument" beyond ensuring that this article and this talk page is compliant with the applicable policies. Everything on Wikipedia must be verifiable through reliable sources and your opinion that that is ludicrous is, again, irrelevant. As is your opinion of the papers The New York Times and the Washington Post. These are newspapers specifically mentioned in policy as acceptable as reliable sources. You really need to watch your allegations and accusations. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 15:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sorry guys

i added that last one but i didnt, know it should e best left off. i wasnt trying to put anything against john as i looked up to him as a kid and wanted to clear things up. im very sorry.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.119.34.149 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] proof against the adult film thing

Firstly, I can't believe my browser has been to a site named queer click, but here you go. Proof

Also, if for some reason his bio disappeared, I think my browser erred and for some reason didn't post. Ilikenwf 07:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Cleanup Co-Ordination Point