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Contents 1 Orthodox acceptance 2 Einstein and Freud 3 Einstein 4 Atheist Jew? 5 Einstein again

[edit] Orthodox acceptance

I would dispute the claim that Even the most Orthodox of Jewish authorities would accept as fully Jewish an atheist with a Jewish mother, according to Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent. Many ultra-Orthodox Jews wouldn't even consider involved Reform and Conservative Jews Jewish. I think that perhaps this sentence should be deleted. --דניאל ~ Danielrocks123 ^{talk contribs Count} 02:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Let me put it this way, the great medieval scholar Maimonides (known to Jews as the Rambam) classified a person who denies God's existence as a min (a heretic) (Hilkhot Teshuva 3:7), who has no share in the world to come and is not considered part of the Jewish people for practical purposes (Hilkhot Shabbat 30:15). -- Danezra 20:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

So wouldn't you say that it would be fair to remove that sentence? --דניאל ~ Danielrocks123 ^{talk contribs Count} 00:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

This would be in circumstances where the atheist would know what Judaism is and then rejects it, then he is still Jewish according to everybody but can't be counted for certain things, however nearly all atheists do not truly know about Judaism before they reject it and would be classified halachackly as Tinokim ShNishba whom do not get classified as a min. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 02:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Orthodox Judaism views anyone as Jewish who fits under matrlineal Jewish descent (i.e. Jewish mother, maternal grandmother, etc.) It doesn't matter what faith that person follows - they would still be considered Jewish, just wayward. Mad Jack 00:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Einstein and Freud

Einstein declares his disbelief in god in a 1941 paper; albeit he was forced to withdraw the paper for political reasons, he never recanted it. He used the concept of god metaphorically on several occasions (as in "God doesn't play dice"), which gives many people the impression he was religious. Freud more or less explicitly declares that belief in a deity is a form of paranoia in "Psychopathology of Everyday Life". However, sure as I am of the atheism of both, I am not a Jew myself, so I cannot fathom to which extent they, or the community at large, view them as Jews; were they mrely seen as secular gentlemen of no particular association, feel free to revert my edit. Complainer

[edit] Einstein

Einstein disbelieved in a personal god he believed in the god of spinoza

[edit] Atheist Jew?

Don't you have to follow Judaism which includes believening God to be a Jew? Don't give me this "if your mother is a Jew you are". Okay my mom is a Reformist and my father is a Catholic. So what am I? Half Reformist and half Catholic? OKAY! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.101.237.13 (talk • contribs) 07:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

"Don't you have to follow Judaism which includes believening God to be a Jew?" No. You can be an ethnic Jew. Mad Jack 00:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Einstein again

Could you people source instead of hacking and slashing? The Spinoza statement sounds very appealing, but all but realistic and, to be perfectly honest, I don't think I've ever met a theoretical physicist who believed in god, and I've met dozens. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Complainer (talk • contribs) 08:52, 20 December 2006.

According to Albert Einstein, he stated he believes in "Spinoza's God", which implies he has a pantheistic view of God. Unfortunately the article does not cite the quote, but nevertheless I'm removing him from the list because there is no clear evidence he was indeed a true atheist. --Ginkgo100^talk 20:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)