Talk:Atatürk and Kurds
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[edit] User:Khoikhoi and Ataturk on Kurds
To User:Khoikhoi Help me out with this paragraph that you are constantly reverting:
| Claim: | Kurds criticize Atatürk for disregarding their cultural distinctions in pursuing a Turkish national identity. |
| Support 1) | In 1925, an uprising for an independent Kurdistan, led by Seyh Sait (Shaikh Said Piran), was put down quickly, and Sait and 36 of his followers were executed soon thereafter. |
| Support 2) | Kurdish revolts occurred in Ararat and Dersim in 1930 and 1937[38][39]. Turkish Air Force used aerial bombardments effectively against Kurdish uprisings. |
| Support 3) | Sabiha Gökçen, Turkey's first female pilot and the adopted daughter of Atatürk, took part in the bombing raids against the Dersim Kurds[40]. |
How does grand Kurdish culture is linked to Sheikh Said Rebellion? Are you claiming abolishing the caliphate was a grand plan to eliminate Kurdish identity? Education of women, elimination of feudalisms (economical reforms) is really performed to wipe out Kurdish Culture from the earth? Ataturk was against the "Shaikhs", because he was against the Shaikh Said? What is the meaning of Sabiha Gökçen and Dersim rebellion? Are you claim Sabiha Gökçen was specifically trained attack dog to kill Kurds? Do not get me wrong! I'm not trying to eliminate these arguments, BUT they need a lot of space to prove themselves. Especially, given the fact that during Ataturks time the penetration of the reforms to Kurdish Areas were very low. When I was a child Kurds were claiming that they did not see the effects of these reforms. Is it reversed, now? Why do you think "after 80 years from Ataturks time" Kurdish people have education problem (literacy rate is very low). The highest suicide rate is among Kurdish girls! Is it because Ataturk's reforms or is it because failure of implementation of Ataturk's reforms. Can You claim that the rebellions did not have negative effects on the socioeconomics of Kurdish people? Was the rebellions aim to improve the life of Kurds or keep the system as it was (the traditional way, under educated, linked to a sheick, etc). You want to discuss "80 years of Kurdish sin" under Ataturk's page? The guy died in 1938, he spend his last years in bed, you want to link 1937 events to him (not to the idealogy but to the person) Where is the justice in this? --OttomanReference 17:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
If you really believe Atatürk was there to get the Kurds; the ideology needs to have its own page. I really try to understand your position. Why don't you use Kurdish Revolts as a starting page? Tell us why they were rebelled, what happened after they rebelled? I have a lot of Kurdish friends, none of them blame their problems to Ataturk. I really try to understand this position of yours, but this can not be solved under a biography page. Thanks. --OttomanReference 17:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Education part
Well, I fixed some typos and re-wrote some stuff in this part but actually this part sounds a little bit awkward. it starts with how the Turkish alphabet is formed (which has nothing to do with the title) and then suddenly accuses Turkish governments for surppressing the Kurdish culture without showing any connection to the alphabet and/or education? I'm puzzled Ombudsee 11:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This article smacks of original research
There is barely any substantial connection made between Ataturk and Kurds to warrant an article of its own. Most of the material here can be divided up among more relevant articles such as Kurds in Turkey. I'd appreciate comments. --A.Garnet 12:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was going to say a similar thing. We already have so many underutilized articles, shouldn't this article be merged and redirected to something else? Baristarim 18:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Introduction
The current introduction is not an introduction. Cultural Issues part can be an introduction
Also PKK and Atatürk??? denizTC 00:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] proposed merge
these two are esentially copy vios. cs 22:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
