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[edit] Sharazur

Ev dema te xweş!

I moved it because most of the historical references mentioned in the article like Yaqut Hamawi and others, are referring to the region between 7th to 12th centuries. Can you show me the Sassanid (Ardashir) documents? I have not seen anything mentioning Sharazur in Sassanid sources. I know about Garmakan but not Sharazur.

At the end of the day, we have to decide on the time frame that the article is mostly referring to, and I believe that is sometime between 7th-12th centuries, i.e., medieval period. (Ancient refers mostly to events before the fall of Rome in the 5th century A.D.)

Gelek sipas ji bo nêrînên te! Heja Helweda 02:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Oops, my apologies, The book of Ardashir mentions Sharazur. I am reading it now. Thanks.Heja Helweda 02:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I read your reference to Chapter 6 here [1]. The name of Shahrazur and Haftan-bukht comes right after Ardashir is trying to get ack to Pars after defeating Madig in chapter 5. I think this is very interesting but lets keep it in medieval for the time being until we can get more info. This is evidence that the name Sharazur was in use around that time, but there is no other data about the details of lives of its people and its rulers. I'll be searching for this. It is quite interesting.Heja Helweda 02:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Syriac Sources

Hi, I did not know about that. Are there any available sources out there? Cheers Heja Helweda 21:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kurmanji

I just wanted to point out that Kurmanji is in a bad condition, if you have any sources it'd be great to see it improved --Rayis 16:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Minorsky

Hi,

The problem is not Minorsky. The point is some people want to remove sourced material from Britannica, just becase it says that Kurds have fought persians, which goes against their nationalistic upbringing. I put the Minorsky's remark in the history/origin section, where it belongs. But a defining element in Kurdish identity is their quest for freedom and statehood, that's why the passage from Britannica is very important.Heja Helweda 00:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already added sources on the Talk page (Kurds). It is not just Britannica, there are many many sources that I have seen over the years pointing out that Kurds were mentioned in the Sumerians caly tablets. Also we can not judge sources, I can not come and say that Britannica is this or that, just because I don't like what's written in there. Heja Helweda 01:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Please elaborate further on your position.Heja Helweda 01:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salaam

Happy Nowrouz to you!--Pejman47 02:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I woke up after a nap. It seems that some other users (like Ali) doesn't agree with that move and need a clear consenuse for it. So, I am now OK with this title. And by the way It seems that you are a new comer to WP!, WELCOME and Happy Norouz! --Pejman47 02:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legend

Hey Asoyrun, Happy Newruz as well. Can you provide a source that states that in the Shahnameh, the children are ancestors of the Kurds? Regards, -- Jeff3000 13:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that is a weak reference, and I haven't found it anywhere else. More notably, there are others who disagree, [2]. I would recommend you finding an academic source that analyzes the Shahnameh irrespective of its effect on Iranian or Kurdish nationalism, but on its literary nature. Regards, -- Jeff3000 14:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I read the source you provided and it does not state that the Shahnameh states the the children were the ancestors of the Kurds. It states that the Serfname does that, and that Zahhak appears in both Serfname and the Shahname. From that source:

In their attempt to introduce legends of the Kurdish origin, scholars often refer to the Serfname, a sixteenth-centruy book that narrates a dynastic history of the Kurds. The story of Zahhak contained in it appears to be the most popular legend pertaining to the origin of the Kurds. According to this legend, the Kurds are children of the populace who feld from the tyranny of Zahhak, a well-known figure who aalso appears in Ferdowsi's classical epic the Shahnama...

Although this legend, cited in the Serefname alleges that Kurds are the amalgamation of diverse groups who invented their own language and civilization as a result of their isolated residence in the mountains,...

As you state, the Iraqi website is anti-Kurdish, and the website you provided is generally pro-Kurdish, and that is why I'm requesting a literary source about the origin of the legends. It's the best way to go. Regards, -- Jeff3000 17:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool, that reference is good enough for me. Go ahead and change it, and cite the book and reference. Thanks for your understanding. Regards, -- Jeff3000 17:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Dehak

Hi, A legend can take many different forms among different ethnic groups. I am not opposing your source, but that's just one source. There is no reason why it should take precedence over other sources. And please do not feel insulted because of the word Persian. The persian myth itself is claiming Zahhak was an Arab, isn't that an insult to the Arab people? No, because it is just a story, fiction, legend, and it is not history.Heja Helweda 22:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thats not a scholarly source. See my latest comments. --alidoostzadeh 01:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] yes

Yes that is true. Best wishes for you and your family for the new year.. --alidoostzadeh 23:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reply. Happy new year again! Asoyrun 23:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] coordinato

		Coordinator for our WIKU
		The User Makalp has joined us today, and want to be like me Coordinator for our Kurdistan Project. Whould you please decide who should be Coordinator. Here are the related links. [[3]], [[4]] --Bohater 17:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "i say" in sorani

hi, a question: do you know waht "i say" in sorani is? in kurmanci it is: ez dibêjim. what is it in sorani? thank you! --Meyman 14:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)