Talk:Asher Hirsch Ginsberg

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כמה צדק אחד העם בחזונו על ישראל כמרכז רוחני, לעם היהודי; כבר אז ראה את הבעיה הערבית-יהודית בארץ ישראל והסכסוך המתמשך שלא רואים את סיומו באופק. ובכל זאת היה אחד העם ציוני. ספק אם היינו קוראים לו ציוני אם היה חי כיום.

My hebrew is a bit rusty... Why talk in hebrew on the English version? Can someone translate the above, please. --itpastorn 13:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

"How right was Ahad-Ha'am in his vision of Israel as a spiritual center for jewish people. Even then he forsaw the Arabic-Jewish problem in the Land of Israel and the everlasting struggle, which end is not visible. Dispite this Ahad-Ha'am was a zionist. I doubt we would call him a zionist if he lived today."

I have absolutely no idea what was this meant to say.Michagal 08:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Hmm... 2 what is meant by Last Name 3 NPOV issues 4 An alleged "elder" of the "Elders of Zion"?

[edit] Hmm...

Shouldn't this page link from Achad Ha'am? All the essays I have read talking of Ascher refer to him as such, and this proves to be a more common name for him than his actual birth name.

I concur. If Sam Clemens redirects to Mark Twain, then Asher Ginsberg should redirect to Achad Ha'am. Anybody know what the process is for calling for a vote? Vonfraginoff 06:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people)#Nick_names.2C_pen_names.2C_stage_names.2C_cognomens A google search of "Achad Haam" vs "asher ginsberg" is something like 167,000 to 150. This should definitely be swapped with Achad Ha'am. Vonfraginoff 06:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what is meant by Last Name

What does "His last name is Ginzberg." at end of first paragraph mean? Is his full name Asher Ginsberg Ginzberg, or did he change it from time to time with the last name used being Ginzberg?Mulp 23:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that the sentence should be removed.Michagal 08:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV issues

Achad Ha'am saw what was in front of him - the impoverished settlements and the pitiful conditions in Palestine. Herzl looked down from the mountain and saw the promised land. Achad Ha'am could not have foreseen the First World War or the Balfour declaration, nor the Holocaust. He should have understood however, that while few Jews would come to Palestine as long as conditions were what they were under the Ottoman Empire, increasing numbers of immigrants would be attracted by improving conditions and by statehood.

The abov doesn't exactly sound NPOV or encyclopeadic. It needs to be re-written in a way to either put this as his opinion or otherwise remove references to things like the promised land Nil Einne 08:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An alleged "elder" of the "Elders of Zion"?

Ginsberg has the dubious distinction of being singled out as one of the "elders" of The Protocols. Is it Leslie Fry or Nesta H. Webster humad this antisemitic allegation? To the best of my recollection it was the former. Ludvikus 13:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)