Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zinaida Volkova

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 15:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zinaida Volkova

Doesn't seem to be notable herself, add any important info to Leon Trotsky. Arniep 11:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - I don't believe that suicides by relatives of famous people are worthy of their own articles. Content can be merged into the famous people articles. Montco 15:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- well, I wrote the current articles about Leon Trotsky and his family, so I am probably biased :-) -- but I wouldn't object to changing this article and the one about her sister, Nina Nevelson, to redirects and moving the contents to Trotsky. Ahasuerus 16:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Nomination seems to be part of a campaign to delete category:Famous people's relatives who committed suicide by emptying the category.--Mike Selinker 19:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I nominated these as various other articles of relatives of famous people have been deleted and we need to decide whether just the fact that a person committed suicide but has not done anything really of note during their own life makes them notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Arniep 20:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete- and let my vote be delete on all the other "Famous people's relatives who have commited suicide" up on AfD because I can't be bothered voting on them all individually. The El Reyko 21:56, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete with merge & redir, an interesting life but no assertion of notability other than famous relative. Again, per nom and Frederick A. Kerry Deizio 23:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Simplify and merge with Leon Trotsky. David Kernow 01:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Leon Trotsky. --MaNeMeBasat 07:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, do not merge.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 19:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Do not merge; not likely to be a good fit with Leon Trotsky. Septentrionalis 23:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. KNewman 04:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 09:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment : If not delete or merge, then what's notable about Zinaida Volkova that doesn't have some association with Trotsky?  Regards, David Kernow 13:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

  Well, Yakov Dzhugashvili wasn't notable for anything that didn't have some association with his father, yet we still have a separate article on him. Why not on Volkova? We cannot possibly cram information on every somewhat notable person who had association with Trotsky into one article, can we? Anyway, I am an inclusionist, therefore I am biased when it comes to AfDs, but as I am entitled to my bias I voted to keep the article where it is.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 15:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Understood. I've left my vote to stand as it's to simplify/merge rather than delete. Thanks for your thoughts, David 17:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

As an aside, there has been a low level controversy over the nature of her relationship with Trotsky as of late. Some documents seem to suggest that she was mentally unstable at the end and had a crush on her father, which may have contributed to her suicide. It wouldn't be too hard to get it all compiled and NPOV'd, but I am not sure if it would help make her "notable" for the purposes of this discussion. Ahasuerus 18:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, independent if limited notability. Monicasdude 23:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, do not merge.—Vald 22:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.