Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoni Raz Portugali

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Please note that if an article is appropriate for Hebrew Wikipedia, the same applies for the English Wikipedia as well. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoni Raz Portugali

Yoni Raz Portugali (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

WP:NN Article claims that subject is a journalist and writer, but a Google search fails to turn up a single article by the subject. TruthGal 23:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Article doesn't appear to establish notability, and the only links are to articles written by not about the subject. Guinness 00:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep appears to be a notable writer in Israel. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Might I ask, Malevious, how did you determine that Portugali appears to be a notable writer? I can't find anything he's written.TruthGal 00:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "Portugali had published a poet book and his articles are monthly published in the business magazine on Firma, Globes - Israel's leading business paper." Just because we haven't all heard of him on this side of the world doesn't mean he isn't notable. how many of the people on here are notable here but over in Israel wouldn't know them from a stick.--Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:30, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
    • As I said above, the article doesn't assert notability (whether or not he indeed is notable), and doesn't cite any sources to back that up. From what's in the article, he doesn't meet WP:BIO. Guinness 00:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
      • also seems to be an editor for an Israeli magazine as noted in Maayan and Free Academy. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
        • I'll give you that it's close on notablility, but I'm not entirely convinced and it definitely needs sources to back it up. Unless someone can improve it before the discussion is up, I'm sticking to my "vote". Guinness 00:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Is there an Israeli wikipedia someone can check? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
            • All I'm saying is, if he's a famous writer, why am I having such a hard time finding anything he's ever written?TruthGal 00:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
              • Because i can't read Hebrew. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
                • Oy! Okay, how about this - a search at Jewish National & University Library (in Israel, but the search site in English)[1] doesn't turn up any books by Yoni Raz Portugali. (I'll sway you yet!) TruthGal 01:20, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
              • No results searching for Yoni Raz Portugali,but what about searching for "יוני רז פורטוגלי" his name in Hebrew? it turned up a few results yet they're in Hebrew so once again i cant read them :) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
                • A Google search for יוני רז פורטוגלי returns 6 hits. The only Hebrew I know is from my Bat Mitzvah, but my math is pretty good - 6 entries doesn't equal notable to me. I clicked on all 6 of the articles retrieved by Google. Here's what they are: (1) The Wikipedia entry (2) A Google Video of a soccer game (3) Another Google Video -the English text attached is "Shot in Bucharest, Romania - Nimrod Kamer, Yoni Raz Portugali and Toony are guests of Hotel Classa Vilor." (4) YouTube versions of the previously-mentioned Google Videos (5) & (6) "Israeli shows in USA & Canada information Website" (couldn't find the subject of the article on these pages). None of the entries returned by Google contain writing by Yoni Raz Portugali (or יוני רז פורטוגלי) despite the fact that this is supposedly what he's famous for. I'm begging you to watch the production value of any of these videos and come away believing this is a person of note in any country.TruthGal
                  • • [2] I Found 495 answers for yoni raz. Shmila 20:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
                      • I checked these returns from Google. Here's what they are. The first one is the subject's Wikipedia page in Hebrew. The 2nd Google entry is also the Hebrew Wiki. The 3rd is an entry in another Israeli online encyclopedia. The 4th is a food magazine. The 5th is one of those YouTube videos I mentioned earlier. If the subject's writings can only be found in Hebrew, then at best he's only entitled to an entry on the Hebrew version of Wikipedia. In any event, I can't imagine that anyone would make the case that this paragraph from the article has any place in an encyclopedia: "In 2005 Portugali had absorbed the stylish fashion of the Dandy and started dressing up accordingly..." TruthGal 07:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Article doesn't assert sufficient encyclopedic notability and has WP:V issues. Bwithh 01:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - they wrote about him in "Haaretz daily" last friday (as an example).[3] Shmila 20:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
  • They've never mentioned him in the English language version of the site.[4]. Seems like this is an appropriate entry for the Hebrew Wikipedia,[5] not the English one. TruthGal 07:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Portugali is also a renowned food critic [6]. He is also a middle East journalist - and published video works in Cairo [7]; hence not only Hebrew speakers know him - Arab speakers as well - and they relate to his works in the Enlish language - mostly they do not understand Hebrew. Marina T. 18:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
  • "they relate to his works in the Enlish language" (sic) Can you provide a link to one of his articles in English? TruthGal 06:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.