Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Championship of Online Poker

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sandstein 09:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] World Championship of Online Poker

World Championship of Online Poker (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable online tournament lacking reliable verifiable sources. Otto4711 14:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - It is a real event, and run by one of the biggest online poker companies (PokerStars) so it's quite notable in the poker world, but I can't find any reliable sources or any other non-trivial coverage, so delete per WP:V and lack of sources to show notability. Jayden54 16:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Obviously notable, largest online tournament of its type. Rray 22:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

• Where are the multiple, non-trivial published works which establish notability? Otto4711 22:07, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

• The Cardplayer magazine article should be sufficient to establish notability. Arbitrary deletions serve no one. Rray 00:31, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Again obviously notable with literally hundreds of non-trivial coverage. 1, 2, 3 etc etc. Obviously meets WP:V. Otto please do a little research before any more of these nuisance afds. 2005 23:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

• Looks like one story and two press release-type notes. If consensus is that establishes notability, then so be it. But I will thank you to refrain from accusing me of some sort of wrong-doing. Otto4711 00:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Two minutes of research would have found Sports Illustrated and CBS News articles. The nomination was not "wrong-doing", but pretty clearly frivilous. Like the other one, if you would have taken a moment to check for reliable sources, others of us would not have to take our time addressing this. 2005 01:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• I did check for reliable sources. I checked dozens upon dozens of the Google results and they came up as garbage and trivial. If you had better luck on your search results, good for you. Hope you'll take the time to add them to the article so that the next person who sees it will see proper sourcing and that you'll direct some of your ire at the author who couldn't be arsed to source it to begin with. In the meantime, with of course all due respect, you should probably refrain from posting about what I did or didn't do when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Otto4711 04:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
• And actually, now that I have the opportunity to look at the SI and CBS articles, neither of them discusses the topic of the WCOP in a non-trivial fashion. The SI article is about a particular player and the WCOP is mentioned in passing in one sentence. The CBS article is about whether team play in an online tournament can be beneficial and mentions that the author played two WCOP events as part of his experiment in team tourney play. Neither of which satisfies the requirement that third-party coverage be "non-trivial." Otto4711 05:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

This is beyond silly now. ...still the premier online poker tournament series, promising to be the largest online tournament in history, with over $8 million in guaranteed prize money, J.C. Tran Wins Poker Stars WCOOP Main Event plus dozens and dozens more in the main industry publications. Once again, anyone doing even five minutes of research would have found all these obviously non-trivial third party articles. 2005 07:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• Well, as I said, The hundred or so sites that I checked off a google search all came up with trivial mentions, much like several of the trivial sources you initially posted. An article about a person who played in the tourney where the tourney itself is mentioned in a single sentence is trivial. Good for you if you finally found something with more substance. Go add them to the article. Otto4711 13:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

References and external links have been added. The Cardplayer article and the CBS News article provide multiple non-trivial media mentions. (The CBS News article is a first-hand account of some people playing in the event, so it's hardly trivial.) Rray 17:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep sufficiently important to be notable, and references exist to establish verifiability. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 19:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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