Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Women in Cuba

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus default to keep. - ulayiti (talk) 13:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women in Cuba

This page is biased material that does not belong in an encyclopedia. This is purely a subjective essay. Mcmachete 07:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. It does need a re-write, but I don't see how anyone can claim that the subject matter is non-encyclopaedic. Markb 08:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Markb -- Tangotango 08:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• After rewriting (per MarkB and Mcmachete), would be a candidate for merging in Cuba.--Smerus 08:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Theres no "Women in France" or "Women in Puerto Rico" or "Women in Colombia" etc. It's just creating a dialogue - purely POV - that has no place in an encyclopedia. I'm Cuban - and I've never heard of some of these ridiculous claims. I agree there should be a section in Human rights in Cuba, but this unnecessary and largely outrageous content should not be it. --Mcmachete 08:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If in time there was a lengthy section in the Cuba article about the women, I would be comfortable with its recreation. Right now, this article does not belong here. For those that claim that the subject matter is encyclopedic, should we create a bunch of stubs for each country, "Women in X"? What about "Men in X"? -- JamesTeterenko 14:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, make NPOV. It has references too. —Mets501^talk 15:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Did you check those references? Because I did, and some were referencing Mexico, while the sections discussing Neo-Taino nations is more fitting of a Cuban History section since all natives of Cuba were effectively wiped out by the spaniards and those few that have survived have not affected the overall culture, which draws strictly from Spain and Africa. Also, how can Castro's mandates be deemed a success? That is purely POV since there are a number of intangibles involved in calling something a success. First, well before Castro took power, the women of Cuba were some of the most educated in the world, having more college graduates per capita than any country in the western hemisphere, including the U.S. Also, although more women work today in Cuba, those women do not have a choice, as they are property of the state and are required to work to contribute to the communist government. Additionally, the pay is substantially less. This is more fitting of a subsection in a histroy of Cuba section. Those of you saying we should keep this should READ IT COMPLETELY, UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL FACTS, AND CHECK THE REFERENCES. Otherwise, anyone can write an article that sounds legitimate with false citations about incorrect facts. Thank you for your time. --Mcmachete 18:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

• Merge those parts that are not pure POV essay into Human rights in Cuba. —Cuiviénen (talk•contribs), Sunday, 7 May 2006 @ 21:05 UTC
• Merge and Redirect to Human rights in Cuba per Cuivienen. An article could potentially be written on this. Falphin 23:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete you let this every country will have their own article about women. Newyorktimescrossword 02:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Sounds like a good idea. Women are 'invisible' in far too many countries. Markb 05:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into Cuba and Human rights in Cuba. How long must women's issues be marginalised into their own articles? Equal article rights NOW! -- GWO
• Delete, essay. Pavel Vozenilek 20:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as quickly as possible, I find this entry to be a little bit racist and biased seeing as how the main part of the "article" is about prostitution. I am cuban and I find my self offended by this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.78.7.64 (talk • contribs) 14 May 2006.

Comment. Above user has only one edit.--Ezeu 20:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and cleanup. The topic of the article seems notable enough for mine and there is a good argument for having articles on Women in other countries. It needs more history as to the role of women before Fidel Castro came to power but it has potential to become a feature article. Capitalistroadster 21:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Mcmachete. M1ss1ontomars2k4 | T | C | @ 22:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nonencyclopedic style and doesn't really seem salvageable. Catamorphism 22:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Human rights in Cuba unless someone is bold enough to clean it up. I don't agree with people crying out "There's no women in France." Maybe this article could be the first. Articles that describe a people are inherently encyclopedic. Irish people for instance. If this was the early days of Wikipedia and someone created Magna Carta, would people want to delete it because we didn't have English Bill of Rights yet? CanadianCaesar Cæsar is turn’d to hear 00:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above (first choice) or Delete (second choice). POV fork. KleenupKrew 11:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep per above. Needs cleaning though. 1652186 18:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable subject. The status of woman has changed significantly in Cuba over the years. The article obviously could use some work. We should note that most wikipedia editors are male. Myciconia 06:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.