Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wii Linux Project

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 19:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wii Linux Project

Wii Linux Project (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

A non-notable, incomplete project. Simply enough, something that may never be done and has little individual value. Possibly on the Wii and/or Linux pages. Scepia 21:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:SOFTWARE -- Selmo ^(talk) 21:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I disagree. It seems like a group of people feel the need to put Linux on every platform they possibly can, and there's plenty trying to get it on the Wii — here's a list of nine different sites up for Linux hacks especially (ten, if you include the site linked to). It's in development still, but it almost certainly will be done, and there's Wikipedia articles on software/hardware in development. Be more specific about what it fails in WP:SOFTWARE. Whether there should be a separate page on every variation of Linux, according to system... now, that's a different question. 66.69.90.253 22:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Y'know, you could find 1,000 sites on a given topic, but it doesn't mean it belongs on WP. 9 or 10 is pretty pathetic, what should we write an article about milk and cookies and the scientific interactions they create? Scepia 00:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I think this is a notable article, I agree that it needs some work and cleaning up, but it's a constantly growing and promising project that may even get some recognition from Nintendo (even if it's not quite positive, but there's a petition for them.). I say Keep. On the other hand, @Scepia, you are just in bad need of reading this, I know it's not a rule, but it may help us get your point. Luis villase
      • Maybe if people would stop wanting articles about milk and cookies and the scientific interactions they create... it would be different. Scepia 04:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Koweja 22:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Notable, cited. What more could you want? Also, could you please source the policy that says that something planned for (and proven to be in via citing, as to not be crystalballing) development is not for the wiki? -Ryanbomber 12:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • As simple as WP:Notability. Every little project can't be mentioned. Scepia 00:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that a project which tries to getting linux work in this machine and have 700 registered users in their wiki isn't a little project. Also I think that is notable enough. (Sorry about my english, corrections are welcome!) Kresp0 23:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment: You could find 700 users at many, many other sites. However, there are not Wikipedia pages about those sites, as they are not notable enough. Scepia 00:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Ryanbomber, article's sources demonstrate notability. hateless 22:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
  • A post from /. and Ars doesn't grant Wikipedia rights. You could find a great number, truly a huge number of products that don't have a WP page. Scepia 00:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, how is this any different from Xbox Linux? In fact, looking through Category:Linux distributions, I see many distributions that are much less notable than this one. JACOPLANE • 2007-01-3 02:50
  • Comment: WP:INN --Pak21 17:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Xbox Linux is a working, complete project. Wiili barely qualifies above vapourware. IMO the project has lost it's original goals, currently they are just a not very organized repository of random Wii information. Most of the software at Wiili is actually Windows software. 88.0.76.244 01:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: I would just like to point out Duke Nukem Forever has an article. Yeah, yeah, WP:INN, but since when has vaporware been grounds for deletion? -Ryanbomber 12:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment: It's all about notability. Duke is notable just because it is vaporware, this is not notable at all. Scepia 00:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep: coverage in ArsTech and Slashdot meets the "subject of multiple non-trivial published works" criterion of WP:SOFTWARE --Pak21 17:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Follow the spirit of the law, not the letter. Let's go write something about the Samsung 4420 HDTV because it was mentioned on Ars and Engadget, once each. Just a fake example, but the point stands. Scepia 04:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

And we feel this is notable enough in spirit to include in the wiki. We have differeing opinions, I guess. -Ryanbomber 12:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. It can have its own article if/when the project is completed. Until then, merge any salvageable bits to the Wii and/or Linux pages. --Alan Au 05:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This article was useful to me, especificaly "Controversy and outages". I think that it would be a good start point for anyone who wants to know some information from outside the wiili.org project itself. Kresp0 23:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection if facts. It may be useful, but does it belong on an encyclopedia? Scepia 00:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep because as an answer to above, I think that Wikipedia is a better encyclopedia for having this article. Paul D. Meehan 05:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Wikipedia would arguably be a better enyclopedia as a game guide, but it's not a game guide. Scepia 06:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Then argue it. Just because WP:IAR doesn't apply to every little thing doesn't mean we should ignore IAR. This statement is assuming, of course, any rules have to be ignored. I still think it's kosher, if a bit messy. -Ryanbomber 13:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• I suggest we stop this AfD immediately and request help from an admin. This article is in need of some serious cleanup, as it is completely mixing up two projects, the Wii Linux Project, and WiiLi. Most of what's in this article is actually about the latter (except for the arstechnica/slashdot quotes, which are about the former), but for some reason at some point both were considered the same project and WiiLi/Wiili now redirect to this article's page. The former project has absolutely nothing and is not notable at all IMO (they haven't even had an update since the wii came out, and their wiki is basically empty), while the latter is a well-known (if controversial and of debatable merit) project. Personally though, I'd just say Delete the whole thing and create a single article (say, Wii homebrew) to encompass all of these sites and also including non-linux-specific homebrew (wiibrew, wiire, etc). Currently anyway, there is no Linux on Wii development, since it is impossible to run homebrew code, so the efforts to run homebrew in the first place are far more important (and more general). Stuff like the Wiimote reverse engineering is also not specific to Linux. Once someone comes up with some linux that actually runs on the wii, it might deserve its own page. Marcan 06:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral per Marcan above. It would be better to vote after the article is cleaned up Gisele Hsieh 20:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - One or two paragraphs about non-existant projects does not count as "encyclopedia" news. This seems to read more as an advertisement to gain interest in the projects rather then information on the projects themselves. I personally agree with Marcan that we should have have a more broad article focusing on the entire homebrew scene, rather than a single project. Wii homebrew would do nicely. -- Darkain Dragoon 21:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The project is young (as is the wii), but it has a lot of traction, and they make fast progresses. I say keep, and if it turns out to slow down or be a dud in 3 months, let's talk again about a VFD. Peter S. 23:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Seems to more a battleground for a bunch of immmature web sites more intent on trying to draw attention to their Wii homebrew web site than actually doing anything. When there are notable results there can be a notable article about Wii homebrew, not about a web site. 59.167.63.205 01:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I would like to point out that both the Xbox Linux project and the Gamecube linux project have articles, why should the Wii Linux project be any different?59.167.63.205 01:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: WP:INN. Scepia 04:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Which as an essay, is just a notch below policy and guidelines. Joel Jimenez 04:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Main reason, because Linux for the Wii doesn't and can't exist currently, as opposed to GC Linux and Xbox Linux which have already existed for quite some time. Marcan 01:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Terrible example, but Perpetual Motion machines don't exist, and yet there's an article on it. The nonexistance of something doesn't necessarily prevent a Wiki article being made about it. -Ryanbomber 05:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. - As they stand, the article is a mess, and the subject is not notable. Maybe in the future, it will be worth an article; it can have an article then. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 15:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - As previously mentioned, the Xbox Linux project has a page, therefore so should the Wii Linux project, though this page does require serious cleanup. Koptor 16:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.