Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Widdifield secondary school

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The result of the debate was no concensus. (17K/16D/4M) - Mailer Diablo 05:51, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Widdifield secondary school

This doesn't really assert the school notability <drini ☎> 06:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. It clearly says in the title that it's a school. Philip Arthur 07:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge with North Bay, Ontario. The school doesn't appear to have any notability separate from its geographical locale, so since it is a sub-stub should be merged. If sufficient information could be produced at a later date to warrant a separate article (without pointless padding by listing generic courses, teachers, redlink or unlinked lists of alumni, pictures of buildings, etc. etc) then it could be spin out as a separate article. Average Earthman 07:51, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, schools are definitely encyclopedic. Www.wikinerds.org 08:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Kill it dead goog. It's a school. Pilatus 08:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Schools are intrinsically notable. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. --Celestianpower ^hab 10:14, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
  • No, they are not. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Delete. If the school has an illustrious history, a notable building or something, let the article stand, but if it's just a run-of-the-mill school like the hundreds of thousands of schools around the globe by all means subsume the stub under the town that it serves. Pilatus 10:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, four walls and a roof are not notable. Proto t c 11:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Proto. Nandesuka 12:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and allow for organic growth. Kappa 13:06, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• D nn. Radiant_>|< 13:37, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This is a nano-stub, a short, contextless, low quality pair of sentences about a subject that may or may not be encyclopedic, depending on your POV. Furthermore, when the article creator can't be bothered to correctly capitalize the title (i.e. Widdifield Secondary School), why should others be forced to move it and then expand on it? Utter garbage. --Scimitar ^parley 14:16, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with North Bay, Ontario since the article is so short. It is highly unlikely to get school articles deleted, but a short stub can usually be easily merged with the location without having to go through a VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep of course. We are far more likely to have a good article some time soon if we keep the one we have already. Osomec 14:36, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
  • But how many people outside North Bay Ontario really know that much about the school? So if someone was going to expand it, they'd probably be looking at that article too. Merging does not preclude separating again at a later date once it warrants it, and frankly is more useful and convenient to Wikipedia users than leaving hordes of sub-stubs around in the vague hope that someone might expand it later. Average Earthman 15:06, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable. - brenneman^(t)(c) 15:40, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notability established. Christopher Parham (talk) 15:41, 2005 August 15 (UTC)
• Merge per Average Earthman — RJH 15:48, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I'll expand it. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 17:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Thank you Tony Sidaway. SchmuckyTheCat 17:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. What we seem to have here is a school with a considerable commitment to excellence particularly in sport. Its alumni have gone on to join the National Gymnastics team, Track and Field Olympic teams--one guy was once rated 5th in the world--Olympic Beach Volleyball, Olympic Paddling Team, National ski and freestyle ski teams, and even a NHL referee and a St Louis Blues (NHL) player. This isn't quite like having Franz Beckenbauer or Jackie Charlton as an alumnus, but it's close. I could be wrong, but my seat-of-pants feeling is that this article is already beyond being a merge candidate, and we can already see that it certainly isn't about to be delete. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 18:54, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, you've created exactly the sort of Alumni list I already said I wasn't impressed with. So to me, this doesn't count as creating a good expanded article, this is just filling space for the sake of filling space. I want some form of proof that the school created these great athletes, not that they just happened to live in the area (I went to school with an Olympic swimming finalist, and I can guarantee the school had nothing whatsoever to do with her competing at the Olympics). So while, say, Permian High School gets an article because of sports achievement, it is the sports achievement of the school (National champions, featured in a book and a film) rather than that of people who happened to go to the school.Average Earthman 22:08, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
  • So you missed the long but by no means exhaustive lists of championships won in gymnastics, volleyball, basketball and badminton? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tony Sidaway (talk • contribs) 22:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I missed the list of National champions. Unless Northern Ontario has become a nation since I last looked. Average Earthman 09:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I don't recall making any claim about national championships. The population of Northern Ontario is some 800,000; it isn't a little village outside Nova Scotia. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 17:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
      • I gave an example of a National Champions, of a country with a population of just under 300 million, a team that almost uniquely has more than just the parents of the players turning up to watch it (they have their own stadium that can seat thousands), and you expect me to be impressed by badminton champions in the 18 year old age category from a population of 800,000 is impressive? Exactly how many 18 year old badminton players do you think there are in North Ontario? It's just local padding, it might make a brief mention in the local news, it won't make the national news, there won't be any books written on them by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists, and nobody will make a film about them. 128.243.220.41 10:06, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per standard school deletion argument. Rkevins82 17:56, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Merge. Andrew pmk 18:28, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• delete over atomisation of education coverage on wikipedia. --TimPope 19:16, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. WP is not paper. But it is also not toilet paper.--Encephalon | ^ζ 19:53:06, 2005-08-15 (UTC)
• Delete. They have sports teams and drama. I'm happy for them, but it takes more. -Aranel ("Sarah") 20:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Schools are inherently notable. This one is even more so. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Unfocused 21:05, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Jonathunder 22:26, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

• Delete. Not notable, no matter how many dodgeball champions they fostered. --Lomedae 22:47, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, seems sufficiently notable. I'm okay with a merge too. JYolkowski // talk 23:14, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. It's a box with students in it. It's got sports teams. So what? --Carnildo 23:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
• keep please and stop attacking article creators its not necessary Yuckfoo 17:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, totally non-notable middle school. Please see my rationale at User:Gateman1997/Schools for Deletion. Gateman1997 18:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• keep seems real to me. Trollderella 01:42, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. A list of athletes and trophies they have won is not notable. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 03:20, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. All schools are notable enough for a truly great encyclopaedia. It clearly says in the title that it's a school. Relax and allow for organic growth. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Etc. —RaD Man (talk) 03:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Delete. Not a partidularly notable school. There is no good reason for articles about run-of-the-mill schools. DES ^(talk) 20:22, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and stop nomimating them until consensus is reached. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 03:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep of course. --Zero 13:42, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I believe this school is notable enough to warrant an article.David Henderson 04:36, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. -- DS1953 18:42, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

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