Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wade Watts

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 21:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wade Watts

Here is a man who knew some famous people. So do I. Apparently part of an effort to slipstream Johnny Lee Clary (n.b: not Julian Clary) into the project. Just zis Guy you know? 23:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete for notability by association. Potentially, though, a state president of the NAACP may be notable. Not at the moment, mind you. BigHaz 23:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons explained by JzG. I would be willing to reconsider if a) evidence of greater notability was presented and b) the efforts to turn it into a promotion for Johnny Lee Clary ceased. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Keep after JCarriker's revision, but I must observe that many of the sources used are of less than the highest quality, particularly the one which is a plain-text document saved as a Microsoft Word document. Since it shows itself within the first few paragraphs not to have been checked from grammar mistakes ("who's" when it should be "whose") I can't imagine that it can be considered a terribly reliable source. -- Antaeus Feldspar 20:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I do not consider any of the sources to be excellent, but I do feel that they are reliable and are all from publications. With the exception of the Newsweek story, I would not add any of them, to say George W. Bush or John Kerry, given the wide availability of source on both men. However, the amount of information available without original research on Watts is rather limited, I feel that in proportion to the topic and difficulty of finding source on him the sources are quite good. The sources also distinguish themselves in that, while there are some discrepancies between them they agree on the basics where their subject matter overlaps.
  • I do not particularly care for that source myself; especially the format the document is in. A better-organized html version of the article appears on the Florida Baptist Witness website. I chose the text document only because it is the original source of the article, but I have no objection to substituting the present version for the html one. The Southern Baptist Press distributes stories to smaller more localized Baptist publications, giving it a very high readership. In spite of the poor archive format and the grammatical error, I think that it can be considered a generally reliable source of information on an article about a Baptist evangelist. These types of grammatical errors are common in smaller publications, and while it may not inspire confidence, for it does not cast doubt on the content of the article just the grammatical compotence of its author. If you have deep concerns about any of the other sources, please bring them to my attention as well. Thanks. -JCarriker 22:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, notability not sufficiently asserted at present. NawlinWiki 00:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• delete, per jzg /wangi 12:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC) Comment: Although anything that gets the nonsense IP "keep keep keeps" like this one really does make me wonder... /wangi 14:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't worry about it. It's so obvious it shouldn't be counted in the final tally. -JCarriker 15:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Info on talk page is material for an article. See Category:John Clary merge. --Uncle Ed 14:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I had no trouble finding sources about Watts independent of Clary's website and have used them to expand his article, complete with inline references. This man served as the leader of the Oklahoma NAACP for sixteen years, and is respected by members of both the civil rights and Baptist communities. He was a major figure in the civil rights movement in Oklahoma. State wide figures are considered notable by wikipedia guidelines. It has been asserted on the article talk page that Watts was a member of LBJ's civil rights commisson. The only online source I found for this was Clary's website, a source that I chose not to use at this time, but I see no reason to question the veracity of the claim. Such accomplishments make him notable in his own right—his connections to more prominent people only makes him more notable and it easier to expand and reference his article. I'd like to ask those that have already voted to please review the current version of the article. -JCarriker 19:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This man was very well known in the Civil Rights era. To not allow an article on this man is injustice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.228.81.114 (talk • contribs) 2006-07-31 13:16:12 (UTC)
• KEEPDoes it really matter if one promotes another? The Reverend Wade Watts was a civil rights activist and that in itself should be enough to keep the entry in wiki. H has done more for Black America than some other notable people. So I say keep the entry. (VRM) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.166.45.101 (talk • contribs) 2006-07-31 13:17:36 (UTC)
• KEEP! Rev. Watts was a wonderful man who did so much for civil rights in OK and elsewhere, how could you even consider deleting this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.103.147.70 (talk • contribs) 2006-07-31 14:53:54 (UTC)
• Keep A state head of the NAACP for sixteen years is notable and per User:JCarriker.--Dakota 15:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - per above statement. Orangehead 17:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I feel that watts is a great man, look at the hatred made towards him and how he overcame. He has been an inspiration to many, including the former leader of the KKK Johnny Lee Clary, who says Watts was instrumental in his conversion to christianity and rejection of Klan policy. He is quite famous, but because it is pre Net days we must look deeper. Potters house 07:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Note: Potters house (talk • contribs) is the article's author.

But I only created it, I didn't make what is written now, see history. Potters house 15:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Antaeus Feldspar is aware of that; he means that you are the creator of the article. In the future, please be sure to mention that you have worked on or created an article when you vote on its deletion. Thanks. -JCarriker 16:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.