Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Villains (group)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was delete. Sorry Yeanold, but as Mikeblas says you haven't actually asserted that Villains meet any of WP:MUSIC's criteria. Those are guidelines and not policy, but no-one else seems to think that Villains should be excepted. "Regularly covered in Hip-Hop Connection" with a link to a webpage that doesn't mention them anywhere is too vague to count as significant non-trivial third-party coverage. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 12:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Villains (group)

Unverifiable "underground" rappers. Can't find much on Google; searching for villains +"profesah 194" on Google gives 66 hits. Not listed at AllMusic, not for sale at Amazon.com or TowerRecords.com. External links apparently should lead to record company page, but goes to a page that says "Begin by uploading an index page to replace this default holding page."; apparently an unconfigured web server or hosting account.

I don't see a way to verify that this meets WP:MUSIC. Mikeblas 06:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment. I see: the external link website has changed addresses and didn't get updated (or leave a redirect at the old spot). The new site is one of the few places you'll find to buy thir albums online, so now I'm thinking this is WP:ADS. There's one release actually available at amazon.co.uk [1], so maybe this scrapes by WM:MUSIC if it is cleaned-up. -- Mikeblas 07:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete - I don't think Wolftown Records cuts it as "an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable". I am slightly worried that WP:MUSIC may be unfairly prejudice against this kind of urban music. There seems to be a lot of "underground rap" coming up for deletion. --IslaySolomon 07:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Villains, though now unoficcially disbanded, have an album widely available nationally, as well as having regular features in the world's oldest hip-hop magazine, hip-hop connection [2], so there's two criteria straight away. Also, two of the members, Tricksta and Late, have a tally of solo achievements that qualify as notable in themselves. Yeanold Viskersenn 09:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment. Having an album "widely available nationally" isn't one of the criteria. The group needs a charted hit on a national music chart, or two or more albums on a major label or an important indie label. The article makes no assertion that Hip-Hop Connection has had "regular features" on the group. -- Mikeblas 13:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom--Nick Y. 22:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - I'm sorry but I'm pretty annoyed, I've spent a lot of hours trying to improve the quality of articles on UK hip-hop, and in the last couple of days someone seems to have swept across my edit list and nominated everything for deletion - I check every article of against WP:MUSIC, and have given reasons why each should be kept. Do people realise that an act only needs to meet ONE of the criteria on WP:MUSIC, not ALL of them? Villains do as has been stated twice above. Yeanold Viskersenn 10:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.