Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Van Resistance

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was withdrawn by nominator. --Golbez 20:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Van Resistance

This article, like the one on Assassinations committed by Armenian nationalists, is unencyclopedic, has no precedent, and lacks credible sources. -- Clevelander 19:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Article is about (A) an historical event (B) the occurrences of the events are real and the timeline is correct, (D) the people who involve are real people. There are extensive citations, which include: Henry Morgenthau, he devoted a chapter "The Revolution at Van" in his book Ambassador Morgenthau's Story. The official record of provisional government can be found on the website [1]. Article uses direct quotes from Richard G Hovannisian who is a very famous Armenian historian. The article does not contain any ethnic hatred and discrimination. The historical concepts are covered with a neutral point of view; the sentences are neutral and not biased. Battle of Van would be left without a resistance force as without this article there would not be any one against the Ottoman Army in this fight. Please check the picture in the article, which the article tells the story of the people in the picture. Thanks for your concerns and efforts. --OttomanReference 19:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep - I'm reluctant to recommend deletion without knowing more about the period, and there seems to be information of some value in the article. But it needs citations and heavy copy-editing if it's to be kept. HumbleGod 19:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment For now, I will not take position and wait for the evolution of this RfD. I disagree that this cases is like Assassinations committed by Armenian nationalists, the other article can not be encyclopedic ever, because it is not an encyclopedic subject. This on the other hand, severly tainted and misrepresetation of the footnotes, does have some potentional(the subject I mean). I don't know what the community decides in such cases, delete it, work on an OK article, and creat an encyclopedic one? Or keeping the tags about the accuracy etc., untill the article is made encyclopedic. So, I could not tell. The name of the article should probably be changed for 'Van resistance' and having 'Van rebellion' redirected on it. It is either called Van resistance or Van rebellion in published materials, neither revolution or Van Uprising, while sometimes it is called by the second name, but to retrace an element of what happened there rather than the incident. Fad (ix) 19:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I take this all back. I acted way too hastily and I think the best resolution to this article would be to discuss its problems on its talk page. I apologize to all who have contributed to this article. -- Clevelander 20:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.