Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valentina (Magician)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Valentina (Magician)

Notability not established. No references cited. Probable vanity biographical article; creator's only contribution. Repeated plugging for the "Secrets of Magic Forum" in Valentina (Magician), Zombie ball, Exposure (magic), and other magic articles by an anonymous IP, 62.49.39.98, who also edited User talk:MagicValentina and Valentina. I nominate this article for deletion for the above reasons and its apparent violation of WP:SPAM and WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox. --S0uj1r0 08:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Person appears to claim notability for participating in an internet forum and writing wikipedia entries - neither of which qualify. The shows she supposedly did are not expanded upon. I do know a magician called Valentino (magician), although his exposure might have made him less than popular with some magicians. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Jennifer is a great magician and she's worked tirelessly to help newcomers into magic. She is well known throughout magical circles. You wouldn't delete Mother Theresa would you? This girl is the Mother Theresa of magic.--MagicaLaurie 22:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment We would most definitely delete Mother Theresa if she could not be verified with reliable sources (but luckily, she is.) Please read the links to see the definition of reliable source, but right now it looks like a delete (hint, internet forums are not considered reliable). ColourBurst 01:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• I nominated this page for deletion, so this should be a foregone conclusion, but... Delete. User:MagicaLaurie is the one who created the article, which, aside from this page, is the user's sole contribution to Wikipedia. Claiming that her article should be kept because she's "a great magician" is entirely POV, and the article cites no sources establishing notability. As User:Resolute states below, being the operator of an internet forum on magic does not make one notable, and I daresay Mother Theresa was at least a little more hands-on in her approach. The article also claims that she is "known for her magical writings" and then links to List of conjuring terms and timeline of magic. To her credit, User:MagicValentina did create and edit those two articles. While these contributions to Wikipedia are valuable, writing articles on magic still does not make one a notable magician, much less known for such writing. --S0uj1r0 02:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete If you are most notable for running an internet forum, you are not notable. Resolute 00:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No evidence or even assertion of meeting WP:BIO standards. GRBerry 01:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn Mukadderat 00:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.