Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Upper Mississippi Baseball League

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all. --Coredesat 07:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upper_Mississippi_Baseball_League

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This article is definitive of the problem Wikipedia has been working hard to avoid. Aside from a Tripod Website This article has no notability. In the Sports world Wikipedia is becoming a joke. This League appears to be no more than an elborate hoax which has been allowed to go on for two years on Wikipedia. There is no mention (and never has there been any mention) of this league outside of blogs, Wikipedia amd Wiki mirrors. Their website (which no longer exists was hosted on Tripod and gave no information on the league's Front Office structure or contact information. Aside from inconsistencies in the website, there is no mention of any of their teams in known media outlets. There is not and never hasbeen mention on Our Sports Central, which is the definitive minor league sports news website, and the league's teams do not have websites. Please delete this hoax before it further tarnishes the credibility of Wikipedia. MJHankel 04:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are team pages for this league article, incidentally they are not even stubs as is:

• Bloomington Soy Sox
• Champaign Homers
• East Chicago Lakers
• Joliet MudCatz
• Lincoln's Team
• Merrillville Railers
• Peoria Prairie Dogs
• Rockford 15s

Comment for anybody that wants to see it here is the Google cached version of the leagues website Click here

• Weak neutral It was a tough find, and I was expecting to vote delete on this one, especially as a crystalball article, but check this article out which independantly confirms the league and one of its teams (albeit weakly). Also, check out this site which makes the claim that the league may be a hoax. Confused? There's more. this site seems to hint that the league and ANOTHER of its teams does indeed exist. I am uncertain how to vote on this. I am willing to listen to arguements in both directions, and change my vote accordingly. If this is a hoax, it is elaborate, and extends well beyond wikipedia. Maybe a BJAODN article if it is a hoax? Not sure what to do with this... --Jayron32 05:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
  • change vote to Delete per reasoning below. I am now convinced. --Jayron32 04:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment I knew of the first article you stated, and the article is a mere example of how much Wikipeida is taken seriously, and should not be taken lightly. Basically that article was about names of teams, Columnists tend to gleen info for an opinion based article, often not taking the time to verify info. Also As it is this article was started in 2005 by, what appears to be, an annonymous user. Most people take things as true when they have stuck around for that long. The thing of it is, look at past edits to the article people have pointed out that this is not credibal. This article continually changes its facts. Its former website never was updated with any information whatsoever. Wikipedia actually had more info on this league than the League website itself. Look at the logo, it looks like something a kid made on mspaint. It would not be hard to make a legitimate looking fake basball league logo, they did not even do that. I live in Gary, Indiana Which is directly next to both East Chicago and Merrillville. No newspaper ever even hinted at a new league and two teams for the region. Think logically about it there are professional Baseball Teams in Gary, Joliet, and Rockford. New Rookie teams in the same city or area would be a terrible business concept. At first I hoped that this was true, but as time went on it became painfully obvious that it was not. No Newspapers have spoken of this League. And that "City Town Info Website" you listed is a common website that makes articles about multiple locations, simply taking info that they found to make any city look good. Facts are not always taken into account. --MJHankel 10:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I just must say, this article is exactly what used to be joked about Wikipedia, People stated that due to the fact that anyone can edit it is not credible. Much has been done to change this fact but this article has just slipped by. Its own Tripod website is gone now. If this league returns again in the future (legitimately) than we should add it, but as of now it is just an elaborate hoax, I have asked on independent minor league baseball forums and no one has heard of it. They all agree it makes no sense and is just not real. It is definitely a BJAODN but nothing more. --MJHankel 10:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:NOTE, possible BJAODN. Tulkolahten 13:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Scienter 14:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, but this is far from the only article that people "joke about" when saying Wikipedia is not credible. —Rob (talk) 18:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment I know but it is a perfect example of the problem. Getting rid of even one article helps. --MJHankel 18:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.