Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unblack metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep merge also possible of course. W.marsh 03:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unblack metal

A nonexistent pseudo subgenre of Black metal that has a minor differnce with it, plus it largely overlaps with Christian metal delete Spearhead 21:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. It appears to exist to me, based on a quick search of the terms. It's very different from black metal in that, while there's still the "headbanging" kind of music, the focus of the music is positive rather than "black." The stub seems to describe it competently and it's written in NPOV style. I don't see what's wrong with keeping this. Aplomado - UTC 21:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • A quick google search turned up these sites[1][2][3][4], all independent of each other and all referencing the same phenomenon. Aplomado - UTC 21:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Aplomado. It could use some work, though: "affrontrous"?. Slowmover 21:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I've been able to find 3 bands that would fall under the "Unblack metal" style: Antestor, Crimson Moonlight and Horde. Several sources [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] call them either Black metal, Christian metal or indeed Unblack metal. You might also find it useful to know that the White metal article in the Portuguese Wikipedia mentions "Unblack metal" as a type of Christian metal. That said, it might be reasonable to either merge it with the Christian metal article (although it somewhat differs in style) or keep it as a cross-genre reference but don't delete it, as it is a term which is notably used. --– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 23:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• I found some more support of the term from Last.fm [10], including some other bands.--– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 23:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
• More unblack metal bands from Rockdetector [11] --– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 23:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I wonder how many bands of these are actually notable. Horde maybe... CM appears to be notable, Antestor doesn't use the term in their artcile - the rest is probably not notable. Spearhead 19:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect with Christian metal. Catamorphism 00:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Aplomado, and Expand. I first heard of unblack metal years ago - I think on the now-offline Dead the E-Zine [12] - and have heard the term used many times. It's definitely not a "nonexistent pseudo subgenre", and Christian metal encompasses more styles than just this one. Given that there are more obscure genres with good, long articles here, this genre should have more written about it. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 02:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect with Christian metal. I'd like to point out that Symphonic Black Metal and Symphonic Power Metal are included under Symphonic Metal even though they are clearly vastly different and the bands are all relatively famous (Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth/Angra, Nightwish). I don't think Unblack Metal needs to have its own article any more than Symphonic Black or Power Metal and should be treated as a subgenre of Christian Metal. Also, I think there are too few renowned bands in this category to justify keeping it separate.--IronChris 06:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per IronChris. Punkmorten 16:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Christian Metal. The term Unblack Metal is used by Black Metal fans to insult Christian Metal bands. Its also use to mean 'Non-Black', meaning 'any band that isnt black metal', same as UnGothic, and UnDeath, and UnThrash. Ley Shade 21:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• I Disagree. In the many sources that have been cited here, 'Unblack' is used as a term that refers to bands with a Black metal musical style except that their lyrics are against Satanism. Articles such as Un-American exist but they don't necessary mean 'anything that isnt American' but 'anything that is against America'.--– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 22:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. You might also find it interesting that Metal for Jesus, a popular Christian metal website, has a whole section regarding Black metal within Christian metal. [13]--– sampi (talk•contrib•email) 22:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment Sampi, as much as i respect yew, im also against many sites about Christian Metal. Ive found several that have stated that bands such as Mortiis, Behemoth and Burzum are Christian Black Metal, and ones that have claimed that 'Goth Metal' is another name for Christian Metal bands that wear black. Ive also only ever known the term to be used as 'non black metal bands'. But thats just me. I still vote delete and redirect to Christian Metal, however. Oh, and Sampi, please check your talk page, i posted something there that needs immediate attention. Ley Shade 22:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.