Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultramaterialism

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The result was speedy delete by author's request (WP:CSD#G7). — coelacan talk — 20:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ultramaterialism

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Originally {prod}ded, might need actual AfD discussion (more attention) before deletion V-Man737 06:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Merge with physicalism materialism. as it is very similar, but has tiny yet notable differences, such as "the universe consists exclusively of matter (UM)" versus "everything which exists has a physical property" and "The essential objects of physicalism ultimately include whatever is described by physics (P)." It appears that although in Physicalism everything can be ascribed to and described by physics, ultramaterialism limits existence to that which is matter, including energy and spacetime. It does merit mention in the Physicalism article. Should have mention at materialism, as the word can describe materialism to a higher extent (Google search brings up 410 hits). V-Man737 06:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• But can it, really? I mean, can one be more materialist than materialist? It's already at the end of a spectrum. If you're a little less-than-materialist, you're not a materialist at all. — coelacan talk — 07:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• The way I'm seeing it used in the Google search is mostly with people making a hyperbole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by V-Man737 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

• Sounds like a neologism, in addition to a redundancy. — coelacan talk — 10:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. It's not physicalism, it's an exact descriptor of materialism, except that no one uses this ultra- prefix. — coelacan talk — 06:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletions. — coelacan talk — 07:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The article describes Ultramaterialism, which is entirely different than Materialism. Whereas materialism suggests that the Universe consists mostly of matter, as opposed to Platonism, Ultramaterialism suggests that the universe consists exclusively of matter. There should be an internal link in it which directs to similar philosophical theories, such as materialism or physicalism, of which Ultramaterialism is a branch, but it should not be deleted, but rather be mentioned in Physicalism. Orthologist 11:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• My mistake confusing between materialism and physicalism. But if materialism is monist, then it can't and doesn't say mostly matter; rather it says everything is matter or reduces to matter, doesn't it? Pomte 17:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Orthologist is mistaken. Materialism is indeed monist and specifically claims that existence is matter, exclusively. [1] [2] Thus there was no need to create this article, it duplicates its topic. — coelacan talk — 10:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, excuse me for it. I did a search the other day and found that Ultramaterialism is the same as Materialism. So I'll agree with you; it must be deleted. --Orthologist 10:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

An honest mistake and quite understandable, considering that it seems some people are using the term neologistically, usually as hyperbole as V-Man pointed out. If you want, you can add the {{db-author}} tag to the article and it will be speedy-deleted. — coelacan talk — 11:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.