Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - some arguments for keeping are distant from policy, but there is still clearly neither consensus nor knock-out argument to delete. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 11:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs)

This page isn't needed, due to the fact the information can easily be explained on the Ultimate Spider-Man page. Wikipedia isn't a complete guide to comics, make a comic wiki for detailed story arcs pages. RobJ1981 15:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Merge any additional notable information into the main article, then Delete this one. WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines already state that plot summaries "should not become so enlarged as to become separate articles" (as per WP:NOT) & "articles focused on describing storylines should be avoided unless significance is established through real world sources". --Mrph 16:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Merge and delete is violation of the GFDL (mainly the preservation of history). ColourBurst 19:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - keep this as a redirect, then? Shouldn't be a problem with that, should there? --Mrph 19:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment No problem. ColourBurst 21:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I really like this page and find it very useful. The main page has too much other information, and this page is where a person should go if they want a synopsis of particular stories. This is a very important page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leftynm (talk • contribs) 15 October 2006.

Reply to comment - as noted, there are some guidelines in place about this and they do suggest it should be on the main page, if anywhere. I agree that it's useful, but by itself that isn't enough to justify its existence. If there's "too much other information" on the main page, the issue may be that it's just not easy enough to navigate that page via the contents box - which should be fixable? --Mrph 18:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I wouldn't necessarily advocate a similar article for every published comic ever, but the Ultimate Marvel core titles are pretty notble. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Reply to comment - more notable than the non-Ultimate core titles for Marvel's flagship characters? Hulk, Avengers, X-Men? If not, then if this qualifies for its own article, shouldn't they? It would set an unfortunate precedent. --Mrph 08:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment What's the difference between having a page like this and having pages for individual sitcom episodes? Zagalejo 02:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Red herring, that's a separate issue. Personally, I think those fail WP:NOT too though. --Newt_ΨΦ 04:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOT and WP:WAF --Newt_ΨΦ 04:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge any necessary content and redirect to Ultimate Spider-Man. I personally think that there should be some room to keep appropriately concise plot summary subarticles for "epic works" such as long-running comics summaries, but the consensus at the comics project is that the materials are not appropriate, as reflected in WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines. TheronJ 15:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
• Compromise I suggest that we shoudl compromise. As B.M.Bendis, unlke many other comic authors, is using 'Real Time' for this series, we need only break it down into a simple Timeline like that used for 'The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen' - that shows the evens happening in Ultimate Peter's Life from the moment he got bitten to this current clone saga and beyond. Any Major events - The Death of Gwen Stacy, The Clone Saga- can be redirected to the artile on the 616 version of the event, and, if it has an 'Ultimate' sub-article, perhaps redirected there as well.
• Keep I seriously think that the page should be kept. It can be much more useful than the official Ultimate Spider-Man article for some things, and I actually used it just the other day. I can't believe this, of all articles, is being considered for deletion. Tai112
• Keep This page is of such great cultural importance that it transcends the so called protocal of Wikipedia, and should never be removed, merged, or belittled in any way. Shame on you for trying to destroy this page. What has it done to you to spawn your wrath? leftynm
  • Comment - How is the plot of a comic book of "such great cultural importance that it transcends the... protocal[sic] of Wikipedia"? --Newt_ΨΦ 16:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - the difference between Ultimate Spidey and titles such as Hulk, Avengers, and X-Men is simple. Ultimate Spidey sold better, much better. It had a competent, realistic writer and a kick-ass illustrator. This is something all of the previously mentioned itles have, at one time, lacked.
  • Comment - the title selling better is relevent to notability, but not to the need for synopsis of every arc. The rest of your comment is POV and has little bearing on the need. Please sign your posts. --Newt_ΨΦ 14:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Ultimate Spider-Man#History of Ultimate Spider-Man as per WP:WAF, WP:NOT (not a plot summary, point 7) . Add relevant bits to "History" and then merge. Onomatopoeia 08:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.