Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turco-Persian

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The result was speedy keep as a bad-faith nomination, especially in the face of massive canvassing for votes by the nominator. --Coredesat 06:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turco-Persian

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The term Turco-Persian does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The name "Turco-Persian" is an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted. Surena 01:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep - "Turco-Persian" is not an "imaginary" term, particularly given the google results it produces, and the Encycopledia Brittanica uses the term. (Unfortunately it's not linkable) I'm not trying to jump conclusions but this nomination smells distinctly of bad faith. -- Y|yukichigai (_ramble argue ^check) 01:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• comment "factitious"? that sounds pretty truthy to me. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Not sure what's going on here, but the article appears to be about a class of people, so why on earth would it have to meet WP:CORP? Also, nominator also nominated another article, Turko-Persian Tradition, with the exact same reasoning. On the other hand, the spelling of both articles contradict each other, and neither "Turco-Persian" nor "Turko-Persian" spelling return an extraordinarily large number of google hits. So, I don't know what to make of this whole thing. Wavy G 02:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Google result reads as Turko-Persia which is different to Turko-Persian. However, the objection is the term is not academically being accepted. The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture (Persian, Kurdish, Azari, Baluchi, Tajik, Luri, Gilaki, Talishi, Mazandarani, etc.), and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one. Surena 02:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, I see your point (sort of), but you must be careful with your wording. Using words like "imaginary" and "factitious" imply that the article in question is being nominated as an intentional hoax, which I don't think it is, nor do I think you meant it that way. A few people already have stated that this was a bad faith nom (and I was questioning it, myself). Wavy G 02:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Close - User Contribs indicative of a bad faith nomination, I would not expect a good faith nominator to campaign against an article like this. -- wtfunkymonkey 03:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion-turkopersianis a fictitious name and never did not use in past. --Ariobarzan 22:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.