Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triniteers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triniteers

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As informative as this article is, I don't agree that it meets notability, as a single chapter fraternity of some 15-20 members at a small university. Furthermore, it's no longer even recognized by the university (here and the lack of inclusion here). To preserve its content at a more appropriate location, I've copied the material to the Trinity University wiki. Tijuana Brass 22:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The historical relevance as being the first social club at Trinity University should be noted. The fact that the university does not recognize the fraternity is inconsequential. The United States does not recognize Cuba, but that doesn't make it unimportant as a country. The level of membership also should not be called into play. Groups at Yale such as Skull and Bones usually have small memberships, but their entries are not up for deletion. I believe there is merit in capturing the history of this group that should not be overlooked. User:sfrancis353

None of those are particularly compelling reasons to keep the article. For starters, I'm pretty certain that the Triniteers weren't the first social club at Trinity; the school had been around much earlier than 1936 and a cursory glance through books on its history mention plenty of groups and clubs that could lay claim to the title of a "social club". In order to make that claim, you'll need to verify it. Second, the United States-Cuba bit isn't an appropriate comparison in this instance; we're not talking about a nation of millions whose existence is recognized by nearly any person who can claim a basic knowledge of geography. Third, Skull and Bones have made impressions upon politics, business and popular culture in a number of documented ways which are recognized by the American public at large (in some form or another) — thereby laying a claim of notability — while the Teers have not.

Concerning your last point, though, yes, there is merit in capturing the history of this group — which is why it is now preserved as an article on the Trinity Wiki, a place that will allow articles that may not garner the amount of importance required for inclusion here. Furthermore, I'm sure that there are sources at Trinity itself which could use the research of someone who's willing to put in the work. Tijuana Brass 23:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Correction -- First men's social/service group at Trinity University (aka fraternity). All non-academic based fraternities/sororities at Trinity University are local to that school. No national charters that aren't academic related have really been allowed to take root there. This creates a very unique atmosphere at the school and has helped define the history and character of it. The names of the groups themselves such as Triniteers, Spurs, and Bengal Lancers show the uniqueness that these groups have. One major question I have based on this deletion criteria is inclusion in wikipedia of Trinity's Kappa Kappa Delta fraternity. This also is a Trinity University only fraternity. The main reason I wrote the Triniteer article is based on the inclusion of this other small lesser known fraternity. Seeing them linked to the Trinity University site, and also seeing mention of the Triniteers on the Trinity University wikipedia site without a link made me feel that there indeed there was some relevance in capturing the history. Within the List_of_social_fraternities_and_sororities there is an entire section pointing to local groups that only have one chapter, are these more relevant even though there numbers are the same, and in many cases the schools are just as small? I understand your points and obviously the final decision is up to the powers that be, but at the same time I want to give the Triniteers a fighting chance. User:sfrancis353

Hopefully someone with more experience with Greek-related articles on the Wiki will drop by and give some input — I don't think this AfD should be closed with the input of only two editors, and you make a pretty good case. We'll see where it goes.

By the way, the KKD link was actually an external one linking to the Trinity Wiki, rather than an internal link to an article on Wikipedia. Easy mistake to make. Tijuana Brass 02:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Daniel.Bryant 11:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - simply not notable; there is a lot of precedent for deleting articles about individual frat chapters, for example. Furthermore, nearly every college-club-based AfD involves someone who says "if we delete this, we have to delete Skull and Bones too!" which is a spurious comparison.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 22:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• delete only occasional frat chapters are notable, and not necessarily in the positive sense. DGG 06:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.