Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tran Quoc Binh

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was very close. Vote count is 9 delete, 4 keeps from registered users, 1 keep from an anon with no reason. I am closing this as a no consensus keep because the article has been somewhat rewritten during the course of the debate to make it look more like an encyclopedia article and less like an obituary which might address some of the "Wikipedia is not a memorial" concerns. I realize that this one is shaky, but I am in doubt here. A renomination of this article might be in order. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:08, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tran Quoc Binh

It is a Vietnamese American soldier obituary. The article doesn't establish why he is notable besides serving in the recent Iraq war and the first Vietnamese American solider died. Also, the article has some POV issues in the "Biography" section which is not my reason for deletion. The reason for the nomination: Wikipedia is not a memorial. J. Nguyen 05:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete for the same reasons as at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Victor R. Lu. Very sad, but Wikipedia is not a memorial, and other memorials are out there for him. —HorsePunchKid→龜 06:05, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete with compassion and respect. Oh how I hate to make this vote! Condolences to his family. Durova 06:30, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: Wikipedia is not a memorial site. We do have a 9/11 memorial, and it would be conceivable that other memorials could be created, but not in article space. Geogre 13:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep "On November 12, 2004, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger issued a state decree that the California Capitol flags were to be flown at half-staff in honor of Sergeant Tran Quoc Binh." notable enough for me, plus its well sourced and verifiable FRS 19:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: The problem with that is...the source for the information regarding the flag only came from a weblog entry in the External links section. I tried to search it for with "Tran Quoc Binh" + Schwarzenegger and it is not getting good results on the flag just that weblog and Wikipedia mirror sites that refer to it. --J. Nguyen 22:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: One more note on the weblog that mentioned the half-staff information, I browsed through it and the recent weblog entries regarding a service person's [1] untimely death. Most of the entries regarding someone's death entry includes these lines in the end: "In honor of <Insert Name>, Capitol flags will be flown at half-staff." As you already know, there are a couple of thousand American soliders have died in the Iraq war. It seems Governor Schwarzenegger would announce anytime a Californian service person that has died in Iraq. He will issued a statement and announced the Capitol flags were to be flown at half-staff. Then Wikipedia should include articles about these Californian soliders: Sgt. 1st Class James F. Hayes, Capt. Raymond D. Hill II, Sgt. Shaker T. Guy, and so on... --J. Nguyen 22:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

• hmmmmmmmm, well you're right that the flag-at-half-staff seems to be S.O.P. Nevertheless, I will maintain my vote to keep. The information is verifiable and notable enough to me. --FRS 15:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Notable for much more than the irony. I consider he would have been worthy of article even if he had survived. -WCFrancis 20:06, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep- Normally I'm against articles on non-notable people that have had notable events happen to them; the article should be on the event. And Tran Buoc Binh seems not to be notable for anything other than being the first Vietnamese-American to die in the Iraq conflict. However I don't see how you can avoid it in this case. Reyk 21:06, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, about as notable as any soldier who was killed in any war in human history. GregorB 21:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per GregorB Zunaid 07:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Dottore So 15:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep 65.35.197.181 15:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. He is neither more nor less notable than thousands of other veterans around the world. Note: If kept, this article must be completely rewritten. It's current tone is that of an obituary, not an encyclopedia article. Rossami (talk) 18:46, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment I made some changes to suppress PoV a bit. --FRS 19:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. *drew 14:16, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep- wish article had more biographical info DVD+ R/W 09:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

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