Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Hawkins

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Hawkins

A high school football player who has yet to be drafted by a professional team, let alone graduate. Therefore, no notability at this point (similar to the recent Adrian Khoo case), and no need for an article. Once he is playing AFL football, by all means write an article. I propse a redirect to Wanda Tinasky, who used the name as her psuedonym. NB. This article has been subject to a bit of a revert war/argument involving myself, Rogerthat, and Boomtish (the original author). Harro5 11:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nn-bio. --Terence Ong 11:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep: The Adrian Khoo case is much different since Khoo did not play in the TAC Cup, and was simply a schoolkid. The TAC Cup is a competition that is on the same level as the school competitions that athletes such as Rudy Gay compete in. Gay passed an AfD nomination so it would be a case of double standards if Hawkins wasn't kept. Rogerthat ^Talk 12:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• The distinction must be made in terms of notability. Google has 0 results for "Tom Harkins" + "TAC Cup"; for "Rudy Gay" + "Connecticut" there are 118,000. As for the competitions, "NCAA basketball" nets 8,910,000 responses; "TAC Cup" gets 22,900. This is a grossly misleading comparison. Harro5 12:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sigh, again there is an American bias with Google results. Try a search for "Kate Fischer", compared with another B-grade actress "Moira Kelly" for example..there'd probably be more results for Kelly because she's American. Also "Robert Walls" gets just 17,000 results - and he is a deadset legend of the AFL. Google results are fairly irrelevant in terms of Australian stuff. See also "Wijnand Ott" who is a legend in Dutch music, gets 50 results. Rogerthat ^Talk 00:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's see, Moira Kelly has been working for the last 15 years, stars (as in, gets her name on the poster) in at least one (internationally distributed) movie I can recall, stars in the 1st season of a popular (and internationally distributed) television drama series, and apparently appears in a current TV series. Nope, can't imagine why she gets so many Google hits: must be solely due to her being an American, clearly. --Calton | Talk 01:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

TAC cup is a schoolkid competition, same as the Australian Mathematics Competition.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:BIO's sportspeople guideline. PJM 12:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete it's not 0 on google for "Tom Hawkins" "TAC Cup" but it is only 8 which is less than I was expecting if this is a hot property up and coming sportsperson. I was expecting to want to keep this article as it's true that US basketballing school kids get a lot of coverage but there just doesn't appear to be a similar level of coverage of the AFL. Also there are no sources in this article. I think that the problem lies in that this player is likely to become notable fairly soon with Geelong but there isn't the evidence for notability at the moment. MLA 13:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Terence Ong. -- Krash (Talk) 16:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete until he comes into an important club. --Tone 16:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO; the comparison to Rudy Gay is apples and oranges as stated above. I hardly consider an under-18 high school competition to be on the same level as the collegiate basketball powerhouses that consistently churn out top NBA draft picks, which Gay is almost guaranteed to be, if/when he declares. --Kinu ^t/_c 19:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per norm Mike Beckham 20:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• Could you give an example of what you mean by the "norm? It just helps balance up both sides of the debate for everyone. Thanks. Harro5 21:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Not notable thats per norm Mike Beckham 21:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• I have asked Mike for further clarrification, I believe from his comments he might have meant to vote Delete. --Martyman-(talk) 23:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope I meant delete it is not a notable person which does not warrant an article. Mike Beckham 05:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

DO NOT Change my vote I meant delete and I still believe delete Mike Beckham 07:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per all above Jcuk 21:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Harro5 22:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• keep please as above says Yuckfoo 00:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. --Martyman-(talk) 00:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - nnbio - Hahnchen 02:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 08:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Once he suits up and draws a paycheck, we'll talk. --Calton | Talk 01:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - gold medal winners at competitions like the International Mathematics Olympiad aren't allowed articles, despite having to compete against Chinese and Soviet students who have been recruited to maths and science academies for 6+ years and surrounded by professors, a la Communist sports regimes: Why should a junior STATE LEVEL competitor have an article when an INTERNATIONAL WINNER against 70+ countries does not??Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.