Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tollycraft

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep and merge Robert Merland Tollefson in to Tollycraft.  (aeropagitica)  18:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tollycraft and Robert Merland Tollefson

Delete Fails wp:corp guidelines for notability--Porturology 12:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. The nom has to do way better than cite some guideline page to justify deleting a yacht manufacturer that operated for 60+ years. Thousands of Tollycrafts exist and are bought and sold by boat enthusiasts worldwide. The company obviously had a great story and one that was important in the the state of Washington. I see no reason to weaken the coverage of boat builders at wikipedia as seen in category: boat builders. -- JJay 12:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note I strongly support an article on the boats and their designer/builder but this article is a stub of corporate history that basically says the company has been twice bankrupted. Therefore it should be judged on WP:CORP. If the article can be changed to reflect the story of the boats and their place in Washington State history I will gladly withdraw the nomination. As user:JJay has defended the article here and at prod perhaps the onus of improving the article should fall on him--Porturology 13:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: I'm sure you are perfectly capable of improving articles to fit your personal criteria. I've added a reference now it's your turn. I would point out, though, that the history of the manufacture of the boats is intimately linked with the history of the company. You should also know that this was a publicly traded company, it's stock having been listed in 1959. By the 1990s its largest yachts were selling for upwards of $1million and its production was exported to Canada, Europe and Japan. If you need more info, try google [1]. However, Afd is not cleanup-- JJay 13:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Err, yeah, those pesky guideline-lovers and the wild and crazy guidelines they spout on about! If this was an important business there should be more references availiable, particulary along the "today X number of jobs were lost..." genre. While it won't ever meet the guideline for inclusion of a business and as it stands I'd recomend deletion, given two or three more citations in Wikipedia:Reliable sources I'd probably be swayed. - brenneman^{T}{L} 13:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I've also added it's founder to this afd. - brenneman^{T}{L} 13:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Based on your comment, can I infer that you have spent time looking for references for this article? Also please explain, given the extensive news coverage of Tollycraft and its boats, why you feel this company does not qualify per wiki guidelines? -- JJay 13:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

  No inference is required to see the giant bold letters on the box on one of the most fundamental and foundational principles upon which wikipedia is built: The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it. - brenneman^{T}{L} 14:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• That's interesting. So when you wrote "it won't ever meet the guideline for inclusion" (emphasis added), you were in fact just speculating and your assertion was based on no effort on your part, because hey, why make any effort, when you just want to remove content. Thanks for the clarification. -- JJay 14:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Tollycraft and merge Robert Merland Tollefson. Not being a boat enthusiast, I hadn't heard of Tollycraft, but google brings up a few independent articles about Tollycraft, and the link of the Tollycraft boat club was enough to clinch it. I think it meets WP:CORP, albeit barely; but the founder should be merged. -- Samir ∙ ^T_C 15:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Easily notable enough, but in a boating as opposed to business context. Honbicot 15:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep --Terence Ong 15:39, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Tollycraft and merge Robert Merland Tollefson per Samir. --Craig Stuntz 15:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. There's not enough text here to be encyclopedic. Brian G. Crawford 17:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and merge per Samir. It's small now, but that's why WP has stubs. Thatcher131 20:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep advise nominator to rescind nomination. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 22:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom Mirasmus 01:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Is it really too much to ask that people put all these amazing references into the article? - brenneman^{T}{L} 01:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.