Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/These Are The Days

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 10:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] These Are The Days

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There are two subjects to the article, an Australian TV show and a direct-to-video documentary from the band Estradasphere. The television show appears to be a hoax. I can find no reference to it on Google or IMDB and somehow I think one or the other of those would mention a five-season series that starred Catherine Zeta Jones and Michelle Pfeiffer. The documentary does not appear to be particularly notable and its mention on the band's own page is sufficient without a separate article (assuming the band is itself notable, which isn't immediately clear from its article). Otto4711 07:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The TV show is most decidedly a hoax (Zeta Jones would have been 15 at the time it began, additionally there's a probably anachronistic reference to an "emo" character in what would have been 1985, the article also seems to contradict itself regarding the filming of the show and even the question of whether the characters are real people). At best, the information on the band's documentary could be merged to the main article, but even then I wonder if that's entirely worth it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless the Aussie show can be verified. Sounds like it won't be... Grutness...wha? 09:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Canley 10:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless sourced. - Mailer Diablo 19:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete this hoax. Unless Stewie Griffin somehow managed to go from being a real person to a cartoon in the interim. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, hoaxtastic. Lankiveil 23:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC).
• Delete a blatant hoax. (The two character names seem to be members of an Aussie band "The Grills") -- Beardo 00:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• The TV show has been reverted. The rest should be merged into the band's article. -- Beardo 05:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete hoaxalicious. Danny Lilithborne 00:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a hoax.-- danntm ^T _C 02:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Remove TV show section; keep the part about the documentary. Note that the section about the documentary has been around for over a year while the hoax TV series was added just a few weeks ago. The original article most certainly is real and concerns a band that has an article here on Wikipedia, so I see no reason to delete it. Heimstern Läufer 03:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Nobody's doubting the existence of the original article subject. The question is one of the usefulness of this specific article by itself, bearing in mind that it basically just explains that the DVD exists. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
    • No, it's not a wonderful article, but I don't see it as needing deletion. I could be wrong, but it does look to me like most other contributors to this discussion haven't taken this section into account (note that the reasons given seem to apply only to the hoax section). Heimstern Läufer 05:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
      • You may well be right about the other contributors (hoaxes tend to bring out the best in people, and an article like this is kind of a weird case). Basically, as far as the DVD part of the article goes, I'm not totally convinced that existence alone confers notability. Of course, the fairest possible option would be to delete the hoax and then talk about the DVD later, although that could take a while. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
        • It would be fairer, I think, if we handled the discussions of the two parts of this article separately. Mind you, I won't feel bad if both parts are deleted. I just think the earlier part is worth keeping (albeit barely). Heimstern Läufer 05:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
          • I quite agree, for what its worth. The only way I can think of would be to delete the hoaxiness of the TV show, close the AfD accordingly and then re-open it if people felt that the DVD was perhaps worth another go-round. It mightn't be strictly according to process, since we'd technically be having another AfD just after the first one closed, but it's probably the kind of thing which would be allowed under the circumstances. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Estradasphere appears to be a notable band, and the DVD, as a commercial release on both VHS and DVD, would normally warrant an article. However, I find no trace on Amazon. A wider search reveals 43 unique Ghits for Estradasphere + "Those were the days", none from reliable sources. TV program sections were added by a user with only IP address. The vandal edits have been reversed. Ohconfucius 03:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per all the hoax comments - Vicer 10:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.