Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Young and the Hopeless (song)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 16:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Young and the Hopeless (song)

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I'm not aware of a rule against putting a song in Wikipedia. My only concern is that it be a really good, notable and famous song, such as We didn't start the fire, and this isn't that. Notice that nothing is said about the song. YechielMan 07:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - I havce removed the lyric content per WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE and Wikipedia:Lyrics_and_poetry, which doesn't leave a whole lot left to read about. No indication of notability in article, does not seem to meet Wikipedia:Notability_(songs) requirments -- wtfunkymonkey 07:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - While it is the title track and has a video with commentary, it is the 4th single from its album and there is nothing more to the song that I can see. Pomte 08:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - It is a released single by a well-established and popular band among the teenage set. It is also the title track to the CD. Looking over a number of bands, many singles do have entries, even though most are short. On balance, it should be kept.--Wehwalt 09:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge - to The Young and the Hopeless. Unless this song was a major hit or won an award I don't see much to it. The title song is not always notable. To give one example there are articles about songs in A Day Without Rain but "A Day Without Rain" is not one of them.--T. Anthony 10:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - to The Young and the Hopeless. Don't see any notability established in the current state of the article. This song by Good Charlotte hasn't won any awards, therefore I doubt the notability here. Terence Ong 12:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - there's no content to merge, a listing of a song on an album is sufficient unless notable. Orderinchaos78 14:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - Since I have added some more information, I think that this article is now a notable single and article that should not be deleted. Anthonyd3ca 02:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment - There are lots of songs against criticism, so this by itself doesn't make the song notable. If there are songs about this topic on the album, i.e. it has some significance on the album as a whole, then you can mention it in the album's article. Be wary of WP:OR. Pomte 22:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Merge with The Young and the Hopeless until this song's article outgrows that article. —siroχo 12:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep, notable subject as a single by a popular band. Everyking 11:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, unless viable reliable secondary sources have made non-trivial mention of this particular song, per WP:N. I see no indication of this and can find none. Seraphimblade 12:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

DELETE! it is not part of good/famous/memorable music history and it just takes room in wiki's servers.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.