Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Village School for Children

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Village School for Children

The Village School for Children (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Notability not established for this obscure school, claims are unsourced. Nothing special or encyclopedic about it. Gets only 50 unique G-hits out of 75 total. wikipediatrix 17:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Montessori method. Individual school is not notable. —ptk✰fgs 23:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The school is the only Montessori Method school in New Jersey that offers a full PreK to eighth grade program for students up to age 15, is the largest Montessori school in the state of New Jersey and is the site of the primary Montessori teacher training facility in North Jersey. Based on the unique characteristics of the program, all of which is sourced and documented, the article meets the criteria for retention of WP:SCHOOL. Alansohn 00:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alansohn. Google hit counts don't determine Wikipedia's content. --Rob 12:27, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, practically all schools are notable because by their very nature, they have a reason for existing that differentiates them from other schools, hence they have notability for filling that niche. In this school's case, it is the only New Jersey satellite school for the Center for Montessori Teacher Education. Therefore, notability is established. Highfructosecornsyrup 17:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Absolutely not. The claim that "practically all schools are notable because by their very nature, they have a reason for existing that differentiates them from other schools, hence they have notability for filling that niche" is simply a long drawn out way of asserting that all schools are notable. The "niche" that these schools fill is no different than the different niches that corner stores and individual firehouses fulfill. JoshuaZ 02:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think individual firehouses should be automatically notable, actually. All towns are notable, and firehouses and schools are integrally connected to their towns in a way that banks and stores obviously aren't. Highfructosecornsyrup 04:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think many schools are notable, and I have continued to work hard to improve articles and argue on behalf of school articles facing AfD. I find it hard to see that all schools -- even elementary and nursery schools -- will have sufficient documentary evidence to demonstrate notability. When I saw this AfD, I revisited the article and questioned whether the article had enough there to support a claim of notability per the WP:SCHOOL proposed guideline. As it stood at the time, it probably didn't. I expanded the article, added sources and came to the conclusion that a strong case could be made for retention. If I had been unable to find any criteria for retention, I could have voted to delete, which I have done for many school articles. Arguing that all schools are notable is no more reasonable than arguing that no schools are notable. We need to find a middle ground, and pushing the premise that all schools are notable is, at best, hard to justify. As I learned in a test-taking skills class way back when, any statement that begins with either "all" or "none" is rarely true. Changing your statement from "all" to "some" -- or even "many" -- would be a good bit easier to support. Alansohn 05:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I said "practically all", not "all". For reasons already stated, I believe public schools should automatically be considered notable for precisely the same reasons that all towns/cities/communities currently do under policy. Private schools are another matter, although the niche markets they often serve tend to give them notability and WP:RS-satisfying press. Highfructosecornsyrup 21:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Alan. JoshuaZ 02:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per the sugar guy Albatross2147 22:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alansohn. bbx 08:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, school is remarkable and notable for its practices as described by Alansohn. --Kuzaar^-T-C- 15:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. NN. WMMartin 18:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alansohn. This article is wonderfully sourced and as the largest Montessori school in the state of New Jersey is unquestionably notable. As has been demonstrated countless times before, "unique" Google hit counts are completely worthless; stop citing them. Silensor 08:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, per above. Kukini 18:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.