Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Plimptons

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mackensen (talk) 20:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Plimptons

The Plimptons (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

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non-notable indie band. IrishGuy ^talk 20:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete The article mentions "reviews in the Scottish music press" which could potentially satisfy WP:MUSIC but I can't find anything above the level of blogs and forums via google. Demiurge 21:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The reviews seem to be [1] [2]. The first is two (short) sentences which in my opinion fails the "non-trivial" test in WP:MUSIC. Demiurge 22:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I don’t believe this entry should be deleted. The band is linked to other significant indie bands through its ex-members and has previously received a good deal of airplay on BBC Radio Scotland. I think this justifies the inclusion. Also, The Plimptons renown is rated higher on www.glasgowindieeyespy.blogspot.com than other bands which have non-contentious wikipedia entries. Scanned copies of notable press reviews can be viewed at http://www.theplimptons.co.uk/feedback.htm. Spacecool 21:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC) — Spacecool (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep The band's album and singles have been reviewed in Is This Music, The List, Metro and The Daily Record, all of which are national press in Scotland --Manc ill kid 20:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The article illustrates no notability for any members, past or present. As for the website, there are two scans. The first opens the paragraph on The Plimptons with Now, local bands for local people...which doesn't exactly illustrate notability beyond the locality. The second is unreadable and instead has a graphic showing a very small paragraph. IrishGuy ^talk 21:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I intend to construct another article for a now defunct band which featured current members of Camera Obsura, Dananananaykroyd and The Plimptons. I think the link to these bands alone justifies the inclusion of this article. Spacecool 21:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Members of another defunct indie band with no article doesn't denote notability per WP:MUSIC. IrishGuy ^talk 21:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The article is under construction. Doesn't the fact it’s a former band of a member of Camera Obscura Justify it's entry?Spacecool 21:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The article doesn't show any verifiable proof that any members (current or past) have any level of notability. IrishGuy ^talk 21:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course, if some geezer from Camera Obscura (band) was a member, it would be a good idea to mention that in the article, and put in a link to [[Camera Obscura (band)|]]. The fascinating WP:MUSIC guidelines do, if I remember right, suggest that bands which had people from famous bands (Camera Obscura famous ? That'll be right) in them are famous themselves. Bollocks if you ask me, which you didn't. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Is the issue the existence of the article itself or the scale of the article given the bands current status? Spacecool 21:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:MUSIC, WP:NOTE, WP:V/WP:RS etc. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 01:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The Plimptons are becoming notable in the Glasgow music scene for their distinctive style of 'Comedy Scot-rock', partially satisfying criteria 7. in WP:MUSIC. And I have one of their albums, and I'm not even from Glasgow - actually, thinking about it, their music is available from stores further afield (e.g. Piccadilly Records (.com)). Which is nice. . Pricefix23 22:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC) — Pricefix23 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Delete. Insufficiently notable per WP:BAND. No coverage by reliable, third-party sources as required by WP:VERIFY. -- Satori Son 04:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Users Manc ill kid, Pricefix23, and Spacecool should declare their interest in the article. Manc ill kid is the manager of The Plimptons and is trying to use Wikipedia for self promotion of his ban, the other two he admits on his blog [3] are friends of his that he has recruited to help with this promotion and preservation. Further Manc ill kid's quote that the band have achieved notable coverage on the Glasgow indie spy web site [4] is true because it is Manc ill kid that runs that website. At the current time The Plimptons are not a notable band and have achieved only minor coverage, when they achieve better publicity that can be verified and is independent of self-promotion by the manager than there would be grounds for inclusion, until then... delete. Dancetothemusic 14:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC) — Dancetothemusic (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Its a fair cop, but as has been automatically pointed out, it looks very much like you've signed up to wikipedia for the sole purpose of deleting this entry. Can you explain whether you have any interests or bias here? And, check your references I never said that the band achieved notable coverage on Glasgow Indie Eyespy --Manc ill kid 15:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry no one ‘recruited’ me. I was contributing to this discussion before Manc ill kid was. Spacecool 16:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete – I looked at all of the Google hits on the band and couldn't find a non-blog review of them or their albums. Manc ill kid (above) mentions album and singles reviewed in The List, Metro and The Daily Record—I checked all of their websites and couldn't find any article on the band—I even reviewed all of the covers of The List since 1999 and didn't see any article on them. From my research, I don't see how this satisfies WP:MUSIC. Dallben 19:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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