Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Paly Voice

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Y.Ichiro (会話|+|投稿記録|メール) 17:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Paly Voice

Originally tagged as a {{prod}} as a non-notable website. Tag removed without explanation by original creator of article. Does not meet criteria of WP:WEB. Only 5 ghits. Agent 86 01:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable student journalism venture. Jammo (SM247) 01:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete Look, I am new at this whole wikipedia thing. Do not delete it please. I'd appreciate help, not you guys trying to delete this page. "Non-notable?" Wikipedia is full of non-notable stuff. Seriously guys, I removed the tag without explanation because I didn't know I was supposed to explain myself. There is nothing wrong with the page. Check it out yourself! Before you try to delete it, can you please tell my why it is "non-notable?" --Sro 02:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)SRO
• Comments Whether the page is well written is not in dispute here. What has been asserted is that the page breaches one or more official policies or conventions for the inclusion and removal of articles from Wikipedia. In some cases, the very premise of the article is in dispute, and no amount of quality improvements will save it. This is the case here, as the article is apparently about a non-notable student journalism group. It has an insufficient profile, fails a number of basic tests e.g. the Google Test and cites no sources other than its own website. Notability depends on who you talk to (I doubt you would find infrequently served Australian railway stations notable, but there are reasons for including them); however, there is a lower threshold for notability that this article has not met. Please don't take it personally, as you seem to be an interested editor who can contribute to other projects. Also, please don't remove prods without explanation. Jammo (SM247) 02:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn student webpage. Sro -- no offense, but do read WP:WEB. Sdedeo (tips) 02:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC) Keep. Woah, hey, whaddaya know but it seems to be a student-made website that does satisfy WP:WEB! Sdedeo (tips) 02:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC) (Just to be clear: won a Webby, as well as a non-vanity award from NSPA. Sdedeo (tips) 02:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC))
• Keep notable per WP:WEB and the webby [1]. blue520 02:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, fair enough. Jammo (SM247) 02:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. per nom —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪ 04:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Google search provides 154,000 hits. I didn't look past the first 2000 but every single one of those came from http://voice.paly.net. --Danielrocks123 04:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Please read WP:WEB and get back to us. Sdedeo (tips) 05:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

From WP:WEB, "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself" (emphasis added).

allllllmost there... keep reading... to the second possible criterion. Let us know what you find. Sdedeo (tips) 05:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Thank you to everyone who said keep. To everyone who wanted to delete the page, I am not quite sure I yet understand why you want to delete the page. From what I gather, some of you think that the facts could be faulty. Just click on each of the links I provide under the Awards section to bring you to the "Webby" page and "Pacemaker" page which both tell you that the journalism site in question has indeed won both awards. I've read all of the links that you have provided me above and still do not understand what is wrong with this page. Thanks for the support. Here is more external info that I can put on the page if you want me to: http://voice.paly.net/press.php --Sro 05:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)SRO

I striked out your Keep as you voted already above.--Andeh 05:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

My fault. Thank you Mr. Andy :)--Sro 05:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)SRO

Jammo - in the beginning you voted "delete" and later you voted "keep." I certainly hope (and presume) it is the latter, but which will it be?--Sro 05:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)SRO

Sorry Sro, an oversight on my part. My apologies, my keep is the effective one. Jammo (SM247) 23:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for standing by me --Sro 23:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, as per blue520 PaulQuagliata 07:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This meets the notability standards in WP:WEB, and the article is well-written. --Coredesat 07:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Blue520 has asserted teh articles notbaility and I'm satisfied that the webby makes it pass WP:WEB Ydam 10:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable. -Big Smooth 14:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, sufficiently notable as per WP:WEB guidelines. Silensor 16:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comments: Thanks to everyone who has written "Keep." I truly appreciate it. When are the votes counted, and when can I get the sticky off of the page (OR) when does the page get deleted?--Sro 23:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment These Afd's usually last 5 days, (maybe a bit longer if there's an admin backlog). BTW these aren't votes there debates. Some people tend to be pretty touchy about referring to these as votes. If there is a consensus to delete it goes if not it stays Ydam 23:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• CommentThanks for responding. I understand now both how long this might take and how this is more of a debate than a poll. --Sro 23:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

• strong delete not notable at all, unless you only count what the people in The paly voice think. I suspect the majority of keep votes here are coming directly from mmebers of this paly voice group. Trm3 11:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Please read the article and WP:WEB and get back to us. Sdedeo (tips) 19:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Please rememeber to WP:AGF Ydam 19:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Trm3 has good reasoning to suspect that some of the keep votes of this discussion are belonging to people involved with the Paly Voice. A Google search, correlating to Danielrocks123's comment above, will show that the site generates very few relating articles, all of which are directly connected to the operations of the Paly Voice. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪

(Record playing.) Please read WP:WEB and the article. Webby == automatic "keep". Sdedeo (tips) 22:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

On the contary, accusing a majority of the keep voters on here of being directly involved with the Paly Voice is uncivil. Anybody can check the user contributions of these editors and see that they are long time contributers. Attempting to discredit dissenting opinions by throwing around unfounded allegations is uncalled for Ydam 19:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Had you noticed, it wasn't my presumption in the first place, and it's not uncivil to call into question perticular votes when suspicion is aroused. That is all. —№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė ♫♪

Just so that you all know, no other people who have spoken in this "thread" besides me are from The Paly Voice. As Ydam said, look at the backgrounds of the people saying "keep." Furthermore, the people saying keep have a legitimate reason to keep (the Webby Award). Come on now, no argumentum ad hominems. --Sro 05:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per blue520 --mtz206 (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I speedy deleted it but reverted myself after consideration. It has won numerous awards, that should qualify it for an article. User:Zoe|^(talk) 23:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Whereas it does meet the criteria for WP:WEB based on the Webby award, WP:WEB is a guideline, not a policy. I just don't believe that student websites, even as excellent as this one is, are particularly notable. GentlemanGhost 01:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.