Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lance

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Bobet 00:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Lance

Non notable student newspapers, including one in fabulous Windsor, Ontario. Prod removed. Content already merged to college articles. Brianyoumans 19:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The JPS^{talk to me} 21:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Nuttah68 21:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Student newspapers are often notable. In this case, the article is a stub, so it's missing a list of famous alumni or the year the paper was founded. My guess is that the paper is older than the University of Windsor (that is, it was once the student newspaper of the (Catholic) Assumption University before the (secular) University of Windsor was founded, and that several decades of publishing have generated a fair number of famous alumni. The Lance is rather more lively than the Windsor Star, the city's daily newspaper, but that's not saying too much--TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 21:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 21:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  • What a ringing endorsement, especially the last part, Truthbringer! So you are saying I should be AFDing the Windsor Star instead? --Brianyoumans 21:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
  • On a more serious note: I think it is a bad precedent to have separate articles for student organizations, including newspapers. If some additional notable info turns up on The Lance, it can be included in the university entry. At the moment The Lance is covered there in 6 words; it can take up some additional space before needing its own entry. --Brianyoumans 22:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per nomination ("Content already merged to college articles.") Kappa 00:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm puzzled. Are you saying it is a speedy keep because I have acknowledged that there is notable content? The content I that I merged in (because someone complained that the article should be merged, not deleted) basically consisted of the word "weekly" and a link to The Lance website. I'm not sure those were that notable either, but I was trying to keep everyone happy. --Brianyoumans 08:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
    • If you merged it word-for-word, the GFDL requires the edit history to be retained and this should be speedily kept and whether or not to redirect should be discussed on the talk page. Even if you rewrote it, there is no reason to delete a redirect from this title. I don't care if there is a separate article about this or not, but in any event there should be either a redirect or a disambiguation. Kappa 05:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• As I've noted on the talk page, for any other print publication the baseline criterion for inclusion is "has a circulation of at least 5,000 copies". I simply don't see how we can treat this differently as a student newspaper than we would if it were published off-campus by a commercial company. Keep. Bearcat 00:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, having worked on a student paper I can tell you the usual print run is a tenth of the student population. So unless we are talking about 50000+ students I doubt this publication meets that figure.Nuttah68 17:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The newspaper's circulation figure is already cited directly in the article: 10,000. I can't speak for the UK, but in Canada it's quite normal for a student newspaper to have off-campus distribution points as well (especially, but not exclusively, in cities that don't also have their own commercial alt-weeklies), so that brings circulation up at least a couple of thousand over on-campus distribution alone. Bearcat 23:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if that figure represents a "readership" number instead of a "circulation" number. Often publications like to talk about their "readership", i.e. the average number of people who read a particular copy (2 or more) times the printed circ. I can't find any circulation numbers on the website, so I don't know where that number came from. --Brianyoumans 04:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• • I think student newspapers should be treated differently; I would argue that they serve a restricted community and they are amateur productions. Brianyoumans 04:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
  • There are some interesting parallels between student newspapers and Wikipedia. Both have contributors who range from the not-very-good to the excellent. "Amateur productions" can be extremely good. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but rename to The Lance (University of Windsor); it is also the name of Colegio de San Juan de Letran's school paper. --Howard the Duck 16:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. I mentioned earlier that the article would benefit from a list of famous alumni. Such a list has now been started, although at this point it contains only one alumna, Anna Maria Tremonti. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 05:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• I would like to Withdraw the Nomination at this point; I think the latest addition to the article, the link to the censorship controversy, has convinced me. I think the idea of moving the article to The Lance (Windsor) is a good one. Brianyoumans 07:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.