Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Boston Massacre

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was rather complicated, really. Citing this discussion (yay!), I have moved the AfDed article to 1978 American League Championship Series, and changed the resultant redirect into something more appropriate. Note that none of this required AfD. To Hell with "process". If anyone reckons an article title should be redirected, but doesn't want to blank the content, they're quite capable of performing the move and altering the redirect themselves; the only reason I'm doing it is because some silly sausage brought it to AfD.

Note that the current 1978 ALCS article is lacking a lot of context and could do with a fair amount of cleanup. Whelp, that's some work for you all to do. Your time starts ... now. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 01:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Boston Massacre

This article describes the 4 game sweep of the Red Sox by the Yankees in the 1978 World Series. It was prodded but after less than 10 minutes another editor blanked the article and redirected to the historic Boston Massacre. I don't know if the baseball content is original research or is worth merging to a better sports article, but completely blanking it seems totally out of process. At the very least someone should have a chance to see if the content is worth saving in some form. My vote on the baseball content is Abstain. Thatcher131 00:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect page to Boston Massacre. Merge content to 2004 World Series. I added a d.a.b. link on the Boston Massacre page already. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 00:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

He's talking about Boston's loss in the 1978 World Series 1978 ALCS, not the win in 2004. Thatcher131 00:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into 1978 World Series article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.112.23.9 (talk • contribs) .
• Redirect page to Boston Massacre, merge content to 1978 World Series. Ziggurat 02:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per Ziggurat. —Eternal Equinox | talk 03:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Boston Massacre and merge content with the 1978 World Series. create 1978 American League Championship Series and move content.Capitalistroadster 03:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Boston Massacre; move content to 1978 American League Championship Series, since the series in question was not the World Series but the round before. —C.Fred (talk) 04:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. It may be worth noting that when contributions made in one article under GFDL are merged into another article, the attribution history of the merged text must be preserved. This is normally achieved simply by maintaining the history of the original page (once it is turned into a redirect). If we turn the redirect page to a third article, I'm fairly certain we'd have to find some way of crediting the contributors properly. In this case, I think the important action is redirect to Boston Massacre. An editor who additionally wishes to merge text into a suitable article on the 1978 Series may also consider doing the following:
  1. merge text appropriately in target article
  2. copy the history of The Boston Massacre, and paste it in the Talk page of the target article, with a note explaining that "text written by these contributors has been merged into this article" or some such. Link to the history page.

It might be a good idea to check for copy vio; large chunks of this article were uploaded in single edits. However, I couldn't find anything through a quick google search. —Encephalon 08:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Boston Massacre. --Terence Ong 10:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Boston Massacre, but only after moving the page (w/ its history and talk) to 1978 American League Championship Series. ×Meegs 10:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• If I understand the process, moving the current article to 1978 American League Championship Series will preserve the history as if the article had that title all along, and leave a blank redirect page at The Boston Massacre with no history. We can then change the redirect page to the historic event. I think that satisfies Encephalon's concerns. I change my vote from Abstain to Move per Meegs. Thatcher131 12:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
  • You're absolutely right Thatcher, we can do it that way too (note incidentally that the resulting redirect at The Boston Massacre actually would maintain something in its history log—a single entry stating that a move was performed. This is fine). The main issue is having the attribution history accessible from the target article, either in its own history logs, the talk page, or from a redirect that points to it. There are 3 or 4 ways to do these things; I remember writing a longish post on this somewhere way back when—I ought to reread it. ;-) —Encephalon 02:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC) NB. Looking at the AFD it appears to me that we're all agreed on the redirect; all that is left to do is determine a suitable target article to merge this text into. I don't see a problem with Capitalistroadster's 1978 American League Championship Series, so this is one more "vote" for the text to be moved there per Thatcher's excellent suggestion. —Encephalon 02:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Move per Thatcher131. Chris Chan.talk.contribs 16:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into New York Yankees (although it would need to be pared down) - article is not about the 1978 AL Championship Series it is about the 1978 regular season. I also think it's a copyvio copy and paste job. No Guru 16:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Move+Redirect per Thatcher131 unless copyvio. Carlossuarez46 22:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Move and Redirect per Thatcher131. Sorry 'bout the out of order redirect.Dragoonmac - ^{If there was a problem yo I'll solve it} 22:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge ad Redirect per Thatcher131. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 10:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per above -- Alpha269 17:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.