Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Testaferrata

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:24, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Testaferrata

This is of minor genealogical interest. WP is not for material that's merely of genealogical interest, and this is unlikely to be of any interest to more than a few dozen people in the world. -- Hoary 04:02, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Clearly notable in the context of Maltese social history. It wouldn't be up for deletion if it was an English peerage (or would not be deleted in the unlikely event that it was) and the fact that it is Maltese shouldn't make a difference. This is one of many such articles and I can see no reason for it to be singled out in this way. CalJW 04:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Response CalJW has made the same objection to my nomination of Counts Von Zimmermann for deletion; please see my response to that. -- Hoary 04:40, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Delete modern nobility does not imply notability. Refer to deletion of Dr. Charles Gauci, and afd for Stephen Sant Fournier Maltesedog 11:25, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• I changed it to a weak delete after reading the other comments Maltesedog 20:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Response So a title created in the 18th century is consider modern to you? The title of Marquis was created by the King of Spain and Two Sicilies. The was even a royal commission in the late 19th century regarding this title which was granted by HM, Queen Victoria of UK. I am so baffled that your a university student. One assumes that one researches before commenting. I formly believe you have an agenda. Tancarville 18:06, 28 September 2005 (EST)
• Keep. Nobles are inherently notable, modern or otherwise. --Nicodemus75 14:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Response Nicodemus75 has made the same extraordinary assertion in AfD/Counts Von Zimmermann; see my response there. -- Hoary 14:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Nicodemus75 and CalJW. The sentence This research was done by Charles Said-Vassallo (Text originally based on that of a website by Charles Said Vassallo, by permission.) seems to be problematic though (just flagging this up for an admin to check). Nobility is notability. Vizjim 15:45, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I'll wish for a more egalitarian world as I recognize that yes, who your parents are makes a difference. Nobility is notabilty. Unfocused 16:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Notability has to be viewed in the context of Malta I'm afraid. So my vote remains delete ....added at 19:22, September 27, 2005 by 212.56.128.185
• Delete nn. Dottore So 19:42, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, It seems that Maltesedog and Hoary have no background on History and are picking on my work alone. Just view their logs alone. This is not fair and they should be BANNED. Their comments do not make sense nor are suitable for editing or placing any item for deletion. Its about time Wikipedia puts these two to rest. Tancarville 06:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Response Tancarville has said the same in AfD/Counts Von Zimmermann; see my response there. -- Hoary 01:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, Malta has a very small population, a bit bigger than my county. I'd delete nobility from here. The fact that it is a new title makes it even less notable. -- Kjkolb 23:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

What an extraordinary statement. Malta is an independent country, with several thousand years of history behind it, and its size should not count against it. Vizjim 11:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree, that was going too far. Still it is a very recent title. -- Kjkolb 08:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

• • Comment The titles and persons involved for deletion are of Ancient Noble families. Nothing new at all. Tancarville 18:08, 28 September 2005 (EST)
• Keep. Titles of nobility are inherently notable (not to say that every individual that holds them is, though).--Pharos 04:05, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• keep please caljw is right this is notable anyhow Yuckfoo 05:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Keep The article itself does not contain enough to explain why this noble title is notable, and I am firmly not of the opinion that all noble titles are notable. Far too many courtesy titles were created in post-Renaissance Europe for me to accept such titles are notable without further evidence. However, a little fact checking was enough to convince me that it meets my definition of a notable noble title on several points, tho if all I had to judge by was the content of this article, I'd be voting to delete. Caerwine 16:54, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  • What might those points be? -- Hoary 09:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Titles aren't inherently notable, and no reaon is given for the notability of this one. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.