Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team Carbon (2nd Nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 21:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Team Carbon

Team Carbon (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

As per a previous AfD, I am resubmitting this. This article fails WP:BIO and is a team to an insignificant gaming league called Major League Gaming. :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 22:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - As per nom --Bryson 22:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom - as a team, not considering any individual members. If they're noteworthy enough, they should have their own article, but not this. SkierRMH,22:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - If an esports team can sign a $1 million dollar deal with the league as reported by Reuters, it's notable enough in my book. Since when does any webcomic get this kind of press attention and money? I'm also asking SkierRMH to clarify what his vote means, why do you think we should have separate articles on the players, and not the team? This flat out goes against my previous suggestion of merging players into the team article which surely would have been the more intuitive option. - hahnchen 00:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
• Very strong keep One of the most notable teams in perhaps the most notable e-sports league. They're the current Halo 2 world champions, beating Team Final Boss, the most notable (and #1 ranked) Halo 2 team in the world. -- Kicking222 01:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It has the Reuters article as an independent source , and it is a major team in the highest level of video gaming competition.-- danntm ^T _C 02:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, although these athletes may have might fingers and wrists. Edison 18:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Again, this is not about whether or not you think that gaming matters, but whether or not they meet notability guidelines. As I told someone else, maybe I think that throwing a stupid little orange ball into a hoop (I don't, this is just an example) is a stupid thing to bring one fame, but I wouldn't put NBL teams up for deletion because of it. Look at the guidelines, not your opinion. J0lt C0la 23:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Article lacks information from reliable sources in order to pass WP:BIO. Only featured in pulp entertainment press and business press, not in electronic sports press. Notability is also in question. The team has not appeared in any major international competitions. MLG achievements are slightly notable, but not major enough in order to have an article. Notice in the Major League Gaming article should suffice. -- DJiTH 23:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your work on e-sports in general, but I am seeing a major anti-MLG bias in all your 'delete' votes. I feel that I have gone above and beyond in proving notability in all these AfD's, and that you are against the articles merely because they are members of MLG rather than some other league. J0lt C0la 00:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because coverage by an independent television network and multiple gaming sources is clearly not as worthy as the true keepers of the flame, Gotfrag. This is like the furries claiming that coverage in their own stupid subculture is more important than external coverage. - hahnchen 17:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep This clearly passes WP:BIO with flying colors. This team is currently the Halo 2 national champion team. MLG is a major gaming league which receives equal if not more coverage than CPL. MLG currently has a series on USA Network which makes it one of the few (if not only) computer and video gaming league which has a series (broadcasted in the style of real sports) on a none gaming network. Valoem ^talk 05:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep They've been the subject of a Gamespot article (neutral gaming source), and a Reuters release (non-gaming source). Considering how many such teams get that sort of coverage, I'm satisfied with notability. I agree with hahnchen that if these people are mostly known only because they're in Team Carbon, we should have one team article instead of several individual ones. Quack 688 11:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.