Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tawhid boys school

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Johnleemk | Talk 12:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tawhid Boys School (London)

To me, it's pure advertising. Skyscrap27 13:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, reluctantly. I think the general precedent for keeping schools is nuts, but they are generally kept. This article requires NPOVing, though. --Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 14:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete. I would love to save this school, but this is blatent advertising and unverified at the moment. Thier website contains no information. Movementarian 14:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean-up, per Squiddy. The word "we" should generally not appear in Wikipedia articles (outside an acknowledged quote, of course.) Also, check for copyright.Bjones 14:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete this school seems to defend a certain idiology, this is not what I will call a universal and humanist education, to say the least. This looks to me like a Madrassa or kind of, though they seem to give modern teaching too, not that there is inherently something wrong with that, but the subject has been lately very controversial, in Pakistan for example, but elswhere in the muslim world too (see also Taliban) --Khalid hassani 14:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Comment, perhaps, but creating an article isn't a sign of approval.Bjones 15:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

To me it reads like an advert, maybe it might have its place in a Yellow page directory, but clearly not in WP. I am still looking for the Encyclopedic content here --Khalid hassani 15:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and Cleanup per Squiddy. Islamic schools are quite unusual in the UK and that alone makes this noteworthy. We don't delete things just because they are (or might be) controversial. Dan 16:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and Cleanup Should we delete the article on Hitler because we don't support Nazis? Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with it being an Islamic School. I think it's an example of advertising and that's why I think it should be deleted, not because it's an Islamic school. Skyscrap27 17:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

If we keep it, then we would have no reason to refuse any and every other private school ! everyone must be treated on equal footing. This seems to me clearly an advert with no Encyclopedic content, and should go into places like this Yellowikis. Schools with famous and numerous alumini for example, have their places in WP not any and every school. University of Al Karaouine which is also a Madrassa clearly has its place, not this one.--Khalid hassani 17:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I see from the history that the page was a terribly blatant piece of advertising/propaganda, but that's now been removed leaving little more than a stub. What to do? I suppose weak delete. --kingboyk 18:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess that this version says it all. A guy has apparently changed the content while the discussion was ongoing --Khalid hassani 18:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Why don't you read the deletion notice, on the article which clearly states "You are welcome to edit this article,...". What part of that do you not understand? The message you left on my talk page indicates you're fairly new to AFDs. It's incredibly normal, and common, for articles to undergoe massive changes during AFD. They can't be blanked, redirected, or changed to a different topic. But they can always be improved, and in fact, should be improved. Do not invent non-existent policy please. --Rob 18:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Here's some more reading form Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#You may edit the article during the discussion:
  • You and others are welcome to continue editing the article during the discussion period. Indeed, if you can address the points raised during the discussion by improving the article, you are encouraged to edit a nominated article (noting in the discussion that you have done so if your edits are significant ones).
• Also, note, I removed copyrighted text. Putting that text back would actually be prohibited. --Rob 18:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of UK-related deletions. -- Rob 17:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand ASAP. Otherwise merge w/ city.Gateman1997 18:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and merge per WP:SCH if/when a suitable merge target is identified/created. I think an article on private Islamic schools in the UK (or maybe London) specifically would be a good target. I wouldn't mix it in with an article with state schools, or other non-Muslim schools, as info in that article wouldn't apply. --Rob 18:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Looks fine now. Calsicol 19:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as and when information becomes available to do so. Jcuk 19:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Thivierr Ashibaka tock 21:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Is there anything about this school that makes it notable? If so, can it be stated in the article so as to propose a reason to keep and not delete? -- (aeropagitica)  21:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

This school, like all others, is an important public institution and should be written about somewhere, even if it cannot sustain an article on it's own. Presently people do create school articles containing neutral, verifiable information and it is impossible to delete them, even though many have a desire to do so. Rather than striving for an impossible consensus to delete any given school article, I feel it is always preferable and takes much less energy to merge the text of the article into an article about a suitable habitation or administrative unit: a city, county or state, or a school district of local education authority of other school system, while taking care not to delete the information contained in the article. If the article is merged, the current location should be replaced by a redirect, and the edit history maintained for future use. This is the baseline consensus that I feel was reached at WP:SCH. Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• keep please this school is notable Yuckfoo 02:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, helps to cover education in Stoke Newington and Islamic education in London. Kappa 02:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Schools --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 00:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.