Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T'lan Imass

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T'lan Imass

delete I see no reason to keep this page It has no weight to add, nor is of any real import. Please vote —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mystar (talk • contribs) 14:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is not a vote. Rationales based upon our Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines are important here. "I see no reason to keep." is not such a rationale, notice. Uncle G 12:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• keep Gee whiz Mystar, it's been up for less than a day and it hasn't been modified by anyone but me. Did you notice the Forkrul Assail page, maybe want to tag that one too? I vote it should be left for at least a couple weeks and given the opportunity to expand it, rather than removing it less than a week after it's creation. I haven't even solicited others for input yet, and I think that's important. By the way, have you even read the Malazan series? If so, you'd realize that the T'lan Imass are a much more noteworthy race than the Forkrul Assail to date in the series, and if anything is not noteworthy, it's the Assail that should be deleted. I'll go solicit others for their opinions and contributions. WLU 16:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• keep I agree with WLU, at least give the article some time to expand before removing it. The T'lan do have a huge amount of backstory to them, so the material for a good article to form exists. If after a couple of weeks it remains as it is now then perhaps deletion would be suitable. Derf noxid 18:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I'd love for help expanding it as well, there's tons of potentially useful stuff that could go there. WLU 19:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• keep It's a race in a popular series, so the topic is valid enough to give it a chance to expand. For the Erikson fans, I hope the Malazan articles don't become a new battleground in the ongoing Goodkind grudge match. -Captain Crawdad 20:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete for failing WP:FICT and a lack of secondary sources, which seem unlikely to be found. --Huon 12:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep On second thought, my interpretation of WP:FICT probably was too strict (although I find the rather low standard used there irritating). --Huon 22:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

appreciated. Without the low standards, the hundreds of pages devoted to fictional universes couldn't exist, and all the sci-fi/fantasy geeks (myself included) would be bereft.WLU 22:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

As for WP:FICT, the T'lan Imass are a major race in the series, comparable to the Wookies in Star Wars or the Vulcans from Star Trek, they are present in 5/6 books and have big roles in the plot. As for secondary sources, it is unlikely you will ever get secondary sources on any work of fiction - by necessity you are working within the canon. By nature, secondary sources would only happen when you get people writing theses or major literary analyses of big books, a la Tolkien and so forth. If you look at the Star Wars main page, the references are to George Lucas' work, not SW per se, and the sub-pages contain lots of text, some to encyclopaedias about the universe, but also references to the actual novels. I would think that using the original works is a necessity, and the standards are maintained by peers who have read it rather than continuous references to page numbers.WLU 12:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Deletion reason provides insufficient argument. I agree with WLU. ''F3-R4'' 15:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. AfD does not assert enough information for deletion, AfD sounds (to me, at any rate) like a bad faith AfD, and the article asserts itself well enough IMHO. --Dennisthe2 19:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - similar articles exist for races, cultures and concepts in other fictional universes from Wheel of Time through Star Wars on Wikipedia articles. No logical reason at all to delete.--Werthead 17:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Improper AfD nom. Article is relevant and justified by precedent and WP:FICT. NeoFreak 23:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.