Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suri Holmes Cruise

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy redirect to Katie Holmes. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suri Holmes Cruise

Child is only notable for having famous parents. —tregoweth (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This has already been hashed out at a different article name here. Does that qualify this for Speedy? The Disco King 16:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Boldy Speedy Redirect this to Katie Holmes per discussion The Disco King has linked above.--Isotope23 17:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect per above. MaxSem 18:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and be bold. Since we've already had community consensus on this issue, I don't think I'm being too bold, but if anybody objects to me redirecting, revert the edits and we'll keep going here. Cheers! The Disco King 18:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• It's a longstanding tradition with every one of these kids, like the Jolie-Pitts. There's a long debate where some people try to argue the kid deserves an article, but in the end the consensus is a merge/redirect. Fan1967 18:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Redirecting to Katie Holmes doesn't seem right -- the child has a father, too... —tregoweth (talk) 22:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Are you American? Fathers have no rights here; other than the right to pay child support. Seriously though, in my opinion, Redirect to the mother is probably best practice unless the mother has no existing wikipedia article, but the father does. Disco King's top page note would definitly work... or, I imagine that the child's birth would be mentioned somewhere in the article. We could just (*gasp*) make people read the article to find out who the father is. I know, it sounds dastardly... On a side note, expanding WP:BIO's "involvement in newsworthy events" to a child's birth, even when covered extensively by the press, it really pushing it in my opinion. I'm still of the opinion that you have to do something other than be born to be article worthy.--Isotope23 12:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought that as well. It seems to be the practice with these kids; Zahara Jolie-Pitt redirects to Angelina Jolie, Sean Preston Federline redirects to Britney Spears, etc. It does seem a bit POV, but if we're not going to keep them as articles, we need to redirect them somewhere...I'm not sure what the answer is. Maybe a note at the top, like "Suri Cruise redirects here. For her father, see Tom Cruise."? The Disco King 22:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keeep, the kid meets WP:BIO, and there's no logical redirect point. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Other than the parents, of course, the ones who actually did something. --Calton | Talk 12:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
    • First, which parent? Can't choose one or the other. Secondly, she meets WP:BIO: "Widely recognized entertainment personalities" and "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events." --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy redirect to Katie Holmes in accordance with the decision of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suri Cruise. Until these celebrity children acquire some other claim to fame, everything Wikipedia writes about them is likely to be included under the parents' articles anyway. --Metropolitan90 02:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
• We have Countess Leonore of Orange-Nassau, Jonkvrouw van Amsberg, What has she done?--143.92.1.33 02:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• She was born seventh in line to a throne. Royalty is hereditary. Movie stardom is not. Fan1967 21:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • That doesn't change the fact that this kid is a lot more famous than that kid. Everyking 04:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Redirect per above. I've noticed the double standard with nobility as well, but being 7th in line to the Dutch Throne is arguably notable in itself. Eluchil404 05:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Redirect to Katie Holmes per the previous decision--This is absurd. This was already decided, and nothing has happened since then to change the issue. Why do we need to do this over and over again?--MikeJ9919 13:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to Katie per nom (or redirect to my article at Uncyclopedia - last suggestion was a joke of course :) - Glen ^T_C (Stollery) 05:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Everyking 19:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy redirect to Katie Holmes, the mother. Been there, done that. And, after all, she's the one who did all the work. --Calton | Talk 12:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.