Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Super DJ Clark Kent

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The result was keep and rename. Wickethewok 04:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super DJ Clark Kent

Fails: WP:MUSIC notability test. Google hits for ("Super DJ Clark Kent" -wikipedia) = 38. ("Rodolfo Franklin" -wikipedia) = 115. No listing on Allmusic. --  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  04:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Withdrawn and move to Clark Kent (producer). Nice work in discovering my search error hateless. I jumped to conclusions on the "Super DJ" part of the article's title. --  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  05:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: Vanity page -- Ritchy 04:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete he sucks. SchmuckyTheCat 05:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Super Strong Keep. Yahoo Shopping shows he has a discography of 100 albums, although its likely much higher than that. Clark Kent and his DJ group, the Supermen, were highlighted by the hip-hop DJ documentary Scratch (film), where the team at one time dominated the DJ competition scene in New York. He is usually referred to as "DJ Clark Kent" or "Clark Kent", your Google fu is not fresh, I get 59,000+ Ghits. He's listed on Allmusic as "Clark Kent". Please do your homework before nominating obviously notable indie rock bands hip-hop DJs for deletion. hateless 08:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

In which case, the page certainly shouldn't be kept under the current name, so you've undermined your own argument! If notability is established, I'd say move to Clark Kent (DJ) or Clark Kent (producer). Seb Patrick 10:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I've undermined my argument, a move is technically a keep. hateless 18:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete for failing WP:BIO for lacking multiple non-trivial articles by third parties. If he's such a playa, people ought to be talking about him, and the lack of articles raises the question of notability, not whether he sucks. Yes, he gets a lot of Ghits, but most of those are catalog listings. Tychocat 12:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • You speak as if the criteria list on WP:BIO has one item or that WP:BIO is the only place notability criteria is located. First, Google is not going to be as a reliable test for CK because his heyday, 1989-1994, was before the web boom; see Wikipedia:Notability#Don't delete historical persons based on modern tests. Still, I could find some stuff. Here are articles specifically on Clark Kent: [1] [2] [3]. Here's an unverifiable claim to him being the best DJ of all time: [4] Here is where Clark Kent is mentioned as an influence upon other notable DJs: Cipha Sounds (Cipha Sounds is a radio personality/DJ in NYC, and responsible for Soundbombing 3), DJ Scratch (Jay-Z's DJ, and more), DJ Enuff (another NYC radio personality). The previously noted (and dismissed) discography meets "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies (as notable)" in WP:MUSIC. All of which would meet at least two criteria within WP:MUSIC. hateless 18:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• comment - The missing part of your WP:MUSIC quote is "...that qualifies above", and there's been no charted hits among his discography. In looking over the material proffered, I note two uncredited biographies, and the first one mentions Kent as a shout-out. If you're saying he's a former DJ, that would also explain the lack of articles, in that he's apparently failed the suggested "100-year test" for WP:BIO after only 12 years. Tychocat 06:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Your first claim is false. Loverboy (Mariah Carey song) is a Clark Kent production, it reached #2 in the US. You are also misinterpreting WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. First off, on WP:BIO, the suggested "100-year test" is an alternate test without being a consensus-backed guideline. It's in there as an afterthought for a reason, and using it to prove non-notability is not established practice here and highly disputable, because it is extremely subjective--you need some expert opinion to make any valid claims because divination has no place on WP. And no, Google will not turn you into an instant expert on everything. Secondly, notability criteria on WP in general, and explicitly in WP:MUSIC is a one and done deal: you hit any one criteria and the subject is notable. The easiest criteria to prove right now is "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a musician or ensemble that qualifies above." If you will, please entertain this proof:
    1.) by "a musician or ensemble that qualifies above", the criteria means a musician/performer who meets any one of the criteria listed in the section above it. It does not, as you claim, mean the performer charted a hit, there are several other criteria it could meet to be notable.
    2.) Jay-Z, Notorious BIG, Rakim, Slick Rick, Queen Latifah, and Junior MAFIA are all hip-hop acts that qualify as notable performers in WP:MUSIC
    3.) Producers in hip-hop are always the beatmaker, or composer for the song. They have songwriting credit and get royalties from BMI and ASCAP per their status.
    4.) Clark Kent has produced for all of them., QED.
    And as my final words on this matter, WP:OSTRICH. hateless 17:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I doubt that. Despite the apparent new-found notability, I note the article is, at the moment, the same one I nominated for a delete. I cannot assume you would rather win, than be right? Tychocat 11:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
    • WP:CIVIL. I'll follow on your personal accusations on your talk page. hateless 19:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:BIO per Tychocat. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 16:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Look at Discogs. Producung three tracks on Reasonable Doubt, 3 on The Art of Storytelling and one on Born Again is peanuts for example? And as it is said above there's hundreds more Lajbi ^{Holla @ me}Who's the boss? 21:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep per hateless. Λυδαcιτγ 03:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per hateless. east.718 22:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strongest possible keep Highly notable DJ and hip hop music producer with an allmusic page (small though it is), and credits as a producer for The Notorious B.I.G., Lil' Kim and Junior M.A.F.I.A., and Ice Cube & DMX. As a DJ, he is an even more prolific figure. If Wikipedia has articles on all sorts of garage indie rock bands that have been kept because said band turns up in one music magazine somewhere, then why delete an article on someone with known credentials? --FuriousFreddy 05:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Very notable DJ, article needs expansion, but that's no reason to delete it. ReverendG 02:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Subject is notable for the work he has done. Mallanox 19:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep please per hateless has a discography over 100 albums that is notable Yuckfoo 23:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and recommend Move to Clark Kent (producer) per above discussion. MarkBuckles 03:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.