Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stick bomb

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to kinetic art, then redirect to hand grenade. I think that there should be somethign mentioned abotu stick grenades in the hand grenade article though so that the redirect makes sense.--Wizardman 17:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stick bomb

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Non-notable kids gadgetry, if it's popular, it probably has some other name. Looks like self-promotion by the guy from the external links. — Kieff | Talk 01:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. MER-C 03:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Its other name is "stick grenade", as documented on pages 402–403 of ISBN 0807120111, which documents 7 different types of this grenade. Further information can be found on page 56 of ISBN 1855322889, and page 115 of ISBN 1574887602, where it is documented that Allied troops nicknamed one of these types the "potato masher". Fixing this article involves nothing more than editors using sources, such as the aforementioned books, to correct the article, and renaming it to a better title. None of that involves an administrator hitting a delete button, and can be done by ordinary editors using ordinary editing tools. I strongly urge editors to do the research before nominating articles for deletion, and before contributing to AFD discussions. It took me 1 minute to put "Stielhandgranate" into Google Books. Keep. Uncle G 11:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: this article is about some childrens game with popsicle sticks, not the hand grenades! (have you even read the article?) That's why I'm nominating it for deletion. If it was clearly about stick grenades I'd have just redirected. If it is some notable toy, the article should be renamed to a better title and rewritten with some sources. If not, we could just redirect it to stick grenade and forget about it. — Kieff | Talk 15:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Of course I've read the article! How do you think I knew to search for "Stielhandgranate"? The article tells us in its second sentence that it is about the hand grenades.

      Now consider what you've just written. The two ways to solve the problem with this article that you yourself have come up with are either (a) to edit it into a redirect or (b) to rename and to edit it using sources. Neither of those courses of action involve an administrator hitting a delete button, and both can be done by ordinary editors using the ordinary editing tools that they have at their disposal. Don't nominate things for deletion where you don't actually want an administrator to hit a delete button. That is not what Articles for deletion is for. If you are unsure about sources, {{unreferenced}} is the correct tag (and looking for sources yourself is the correct action). Excising any unverifiable material and leaving the rest, if you were (say) to find that there are no sources about the art works, is also an ordinary editorial action that doesn't involve AFD. If you want a rewrite, {{cleanup-rewrite}} is the correct tag. If you want to open discussion of a merger, as editors are already discussing with the several other articles that deal with stick grenades, then {{mergeto}} was the correct tag, and joining in the existing discussions the correct action. If you want to open a discussion of what name the article should properly have, its talk page is the place. {{afd1}} was not the correct tag for any of the actions to fix the article that you envision being taken. Uncle G 01:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Note 2: check this video of what a stick bomb is and how to make one. — Kieff | Talk 15:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Stick grenades, that seems to be the more popular name.--UsaSatsui 11:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • ...I'm a dumbass, I just read the first paragraph. Still, my vote stands. --UsaSatsui 15:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The only reason I would keep this article is if it was expanded enough to compare to Jacks. Otherwise, some of it could be merged into Popsicle, and the rest redirected to Stick grenades. Mdwyer 22:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Kinetic art. The video of Tim Fort's long lasting train of released energy devices is priceless and inludes scads of stick bombs. I especially enjoyed how Fort animated the first motion picture on a strip of film, Fred Ott's sneeze. Edison 00:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge the relevant parts to Kinetic art, then redirect to Stick grenade. The anecdotal children's game stuff is unsourced and not worth keeping. Sandstein 14:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
• Rename as Popscicle stick bomb, since the present "stick bomb" title unfortunately conflates with the WWII hand grenade. The topic is notable beyond the Tim Fort art device; an element of Children's street culture, a traditional child-invented amusement analogous to the entry for Gleeking. In my own experience, this traditional toy goes back at least forty years. --Wjbeaty 08:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Kinetic art and switch the redirect to Hand grenade after merge per Edison and Sandstein. Note that Stick grenade is a double-redirect, and that there were more than one sort of stick grenades, so that a redirect to Hand grenade is less myopic. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge per User:Angusmclellan and User:Sandstein. Some of the material regarding kinetic art and the children's game could be kept somewhere if written properly, redirect to hand grenade.Mdcollins1984 23:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Illustration of the simple stick bomb has been added to Popsicle for clarity. --Zeizmic 20:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.