Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stalin in the Russian Civil War

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. -- BD2412 ^talk 15:58, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

[edit] Stalin in the Russian Civil War

Violates WP:NOR - says as much in the opening paragraph. Article also doesn't seem to make much sense. Might be useful in future, but not in its current format. Delete or possibly redirect to Joseph Stalin. Hermione1980 00:40, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Merge with Joseph Stalin or Russian Civil War if original research is removed; otherwise Delete. -Caesar. 17 June 2005
• Delete since WP:NOT original research, or merge somwhere relevant if anything left. I also nominated another article by the same author for VfD on the same basis.-Splash 01:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm not sure this is original research; it's summarizing source material, not creating it. There are format and possible POV problems that can be addressed in time. The topic is encyclopedic. Gazpacho 01:48, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Comment - no, go read the article. It opens by saying: "Unpublished MA Thesis", and WP:NOR - the key is "unpublished".-Splash 01:51, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

  Yeah, I saw that. If it were published (and by someone else), it would be a copyvio. NOR is a restriction on an article's content, not its history. Gazpacho 02:00, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  But: Original research is research that produces [...] secondary sources. [...] Secondary sources present a generalization, analysis, synthesis, interpretation, or evaluation of information or data. which this clearly does. Particularly seeing as it's a Master's thesis.-Splash 02:09, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

• Comment. Mostly it's a brief canter through existing sources, so encyclopedic. Where he introduces his own ideas these should be deleted as Original Research, but that's not a reason to delete the entire article, which is of great encyclopedic value. There was a historical figure called Josef Stalin and he has been amply written about, and this article simply reviews those sources for the most part. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:18, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Delete original research. JamesBurns 04:02, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. The current cited source is unencyclopedic and it lacked proper references. I have remedied this by wikilinking to Full formal listing of sources on Stalin in the Civil War by the same author. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:14, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. There are problems such as pov and source verification, but some of the material seems to be known: I agree with Tony Sidaway on this. The topic needs to be kept. I suggest a pov notice and cleanup. Bambaiah 12:26, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. Doesn't really work as an independent article, and there really isn't a separate phenonemon called Stalin in the Russian Civil War. Perhaps the material should be merged with biography of Stalin, Russian Civil War, political consequences of Russian Civil War etc. Peter Grey 05:42, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.